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Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Re: Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Post by MiyamotoAkira »

isoprophlex wrote: post #101
jimsimmons wrote: post #15

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That sounds like more work. How do bootstrap?

My personal take Go to bed/wake up at the same time everyday: might be easy Learn to cook: might sound more difficult, learn to make 3-4 healthy but easy "cant go wrong" dishes (pulled chicken and broccoli eg.) You'll love eating your own food soon enough. Exercise: hardest for me as I hate exercise. No silver bullets, just gotta stick with it.

I only like doing exercise where my brain is active all the time. So sports where there is competition (I play squash), or where i need to keep thinking about it (swimming so I don't drown), or one that doubles as social activity (like partner dancing)

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Post by oblio »

grive wrote: post #288
oblio wrote: post #266

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Think of it this way: what if to become a next level civilization, to live forever and travel to space and teleport and whatever, there's a general consensus that we need to stop using them. I think people would do it.

'General consensus' does not exist. Take the Covid vaccine: it is clearly shown to reduce the risks compared to getting Covid without it, and still there is no consensus about getting vaccinated, and there never will be. Getting to 100% vaccination rate will be a social trauma. Another example, climate change: the science is clear and easy to understand. The root cause is known for more than hundred of years, and the…

I guess I'm more optimistic than you.

There is general consensus on many things (for example murder is banned across the world). There is rarely consensus on the "hot topics" of the day.

General consensus in my eyes doesn't mean that you have absolutely everyone agree, just a super high majority that gives you legitimacy. For example any vote above a super majority (67%, but for big stuff like this I'd say 80%+ )in a referendum could work.

There will always be extremists and for things to move you can't count on 100%.

For example even today, you couldn't pass a law for seat belt usage with 100% support. Even though any sane person in the last 20+ years would say that's ridiculous.

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Post by JohnBooty »

kumarvvr wrote: post #46
irjustin wrote: post #14

Since the article and the study are light on the details of "persistent" Here's the supporting data's in a bit more detail[0]. Overall this makes sense to me as an individually who personally enjoys it. The whole point of getting high is to be impaired (for me). So it's not really telling me anything new. Like drinking, I can't expect myself to be 100% functioning the next day so plan accordingly. The question is how…

Another view, is that, except for the extremely strong willed, getting used to a serene state of mind is addicting and kind of counter productive. Perhaps, addictive is not the right word. But it seems to me (purely from a human nature perspective) its similar to obesity (Eating food is not "addictive", but there is a definite element of "craving" and inability to overcome that craving). All in all, such substances a…

     Eating food is not "addictive"
Oh, it most definitely is. Or to be more specific, eating the "wrong" kinds of foods (typically fat and sugar) is addictive.

Also, unlike other addictions, you get bombarded with billboards and television ads for the thing you're trying to moderate.

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Post by JohnBooty »

rex_lupi wrote: post #283
dnh44 wrote: post #140

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Humans aren't the only mammals on this planet that consume alcohol. https://news.berkeley.edu/2014/07/01/drunken-monkeys-and-our...

That'd still be "recreational use", not as staple food

Is anybody in this discussion advocating alcohol as a staple food?

A staple food is something that makes up a dominant portion of one's diet; it's beyond a mere common or everyday food.

    A staple food, food staple, or simply a staple, is a 
    food that is eaten routinely and in such quantities 
    that it constitutes a dominant portion of a standard 
    diet for a given person or group of people, supplying 
    a large fraction of energy needs and generally forming 
    a significant proportion of the intake of other nutrients 
    as well
I would certainly agree with you that alcohol is not a very safe choice for a staple food!

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Post by mathieuh »

throw1away8436 wrote: post #272

I see a lot of people defending cannabis and I hate to be that guy but: be freaking cautious with cannabis. Yes it cannot make you an addict, yes it can help you to have a good time with people. But it can also fuck you up. I have PTSD since 2018 because of an accidental over dosing of cannabis oil. Weed is really high on THC nowadays, which can easily make you panic or make you paranioac. As for most people it's bou…

As someone who was physically dependent on benzos, heroin, and speed, you 100% can get addicted to cannabis. I wouldn't say it was any easier to quit for me than any other drug. The experience was different but the effects on my life were broadly similar.

If not addiction, what would you call spending money, time and health you can't afford on something? I only managed to quit about five months ago and I've already lost 18 kg in body weight and saved over £2,000. If that's not addiction I don't know what is.

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Post by JohnBooty »

spoiler wrote: post #226
sdze wrote: post #220

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Try quitting Coffee / caffeine. The most horrific withdrawal ensues (at least for me).

That's interesting! I never heard of caffeine withdrawal before, but it makes sense when I think about it. I know a lot of people who say they that can't function with caffeine. I'm not a big coffee drinker (and usually mix it with decaf, because too much makes me feel weird). So I'd probably be okay on that front. How much coffee do you drink daily? I drink maybe one cup, and that's mostly for the taste (hence the d…

Caffeine withdrawal is very very unpleasant. If it's a daily habit and you abruptly cease consumption (aka "cold turkey") you're going to be in hell for at least a day. Usually more.

Occasionally you'll hear people talk about quitting this way with zero withdrawal. They may or may not be telling the truth. But I suppose outliers always exist. Definitely not the norm though.

    I know a lot of people who say they that can't function with caffeine
Yeah, because of the withdrawal. They could function fine without it, once they got past the withdrawal.

Of course, there's really no need to suffer painful withdrawal. It's pretty easy (at least physically) to just taper it down to 0mg per day over the course of ~5-7 days.

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Post by jimsimmons »

can16358p wrote: post #203
jimsimmons wrote: post #49

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The subreddit r/leaves has been really helpful for me in the past

The punny name of the sub and the reference to r/trees is lovely. Knew r/trees but didn't know r/leaves. Thanks.

You’ll like what r/MarijunanaEnthusiasts

Re: Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Post by maybeOneDay »

throwawaynay wrote: post #284
throw1away8436 wrote: post #272

I see a lot of people defending cannabis and I hate to be that guy but: be freaking cautious with cannabis. Yes it cannot make you an addict, yes it can help you to have a good time with people. But it can also fuck you up. I have PTSD since 2018 because of an accidental over dosing of cannabis oil. Weed is really high on THC nowadays, which can easily make you panic or make you paranioac. As for most people it's bou…

Can you give more details about what happened? I took way too much many many times the worst that happened was: vomiting+awful headaches then falling asleep/"passing out". At which point can it cause PTSD?

Not OP, but the effect can, for some people, be likened in intensity to a bad trip on mushrooms or acid and be deeply traumatic. Especially dependent on the people you're with and the place you're in.

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Post by JohnBooty »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #59

I used to wish to be a professional drummer. When I was 14 I attended a drum camp for a week to meet and learn from some of the world’s best drummers, along with other children and adults from around the UK with similar ambitions. I became friends with one kid who was exceptionally talented as a musician, but also had a chronic marijuana habit. He was a better drummer than me at the time, but the drum camp was held e…

If you begin a habit from an unhealthy place -- then yeah, it can be the beginning of a negative feedback loop. Sounds like this kid started from a bad place, and I'm not sure that a 14 year old could possibly begin a weed habit from a healthy place. Hell, even 20 seems a bit early.

    nerds today being adamant that it’s excellent
Well, it's certainly a tool. Tools can help you or hurt you. I think a lot of people have success with it. But, people hurt themselves with it too.

I really wince when people talk about weed as some kind of magic cure.

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