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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by throw455654 »

kareemm wrote: post #298
frou_dh wrote: post #12

Split with major tenting is cool: https://kinesis-ergo.com/wp-content/uploads/Adv360-Pro-Asymm... I've already settled on my "endgame" desktop keyboard in the Matias Ergo Pro though. Don't like layouts that stray too far from ANSI.

The Ergo pro is an excellent keyboard. I’ve had two. Biggest problems are reliability - my first had a bunch of keys stop working in 9 months! They sent a replacement half for $99. That one stopped working 13 months later. I would google around and read some reviews on Amazon and Reddit before committing. Sadly these issues seem common. Their warranty support was… not good. Their COO didn’t really stand by their prod…

I had a similar issue with my Kinesis Advantage 2. Phantom key presses after a few months.

Makes me nervous to purchase one again.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by throw455654 »

lgleason wrote: post #227

I have been a Kinesis user for 8 years, starting with an Advantage USB, added a classic PS2(with a usb adapter) as a backup and then was a tester for the Advantage 2 which I ended up buying. A company I worked for gave me a choice for keyboards when I joined so I tried a Ergodox EZ with the RGB backlighting. General observations: 1. Overall I prefer the Advantage over the Ergodox. The big reason is the contoured desi…

I must have gotten a lemon because I got phantom key presses after a few months.

I really want to try it again, but nervous if I’ll be unlucky with the same issues.

Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by hellol-amda »

rangersanger wrote: post #69

I picked up a Kinesis a few month ago and it's been a life changer. I've struggled with shoulder pain since as far back as I can remember. I'd done PT, dry needling, massage, etc etc. I'd even sprung for a personal ergonomic assessment. I'm a cyclist and and keyboard jockey, so most of my waking life is spent in positions that seemed to make it worse. At times it prevented me from sleeping, doing things I enjoyed, et…

I can attest to that. I tried microsoft ergonomic keyboards, logitech keboards but they didn't help then i found kinesis freestyle split keyboard and since then almost all the issues are gone. prior to switching to kinesis, i also switched from kwerty to dvorak, It helped but not that much. I used to have issues with my right hand due mouse usage, so i switched from right to left hand because i am right handed and unconsciously i was using it way more then my left. you do need to complement the change with upperbody stretching.

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Post by nickm12 »

sudhirj wrote: post #155
inquist wrote: post #27

FWIW I've been quite happy with the ZSA Moonlander https://www.zsa.io/moonlander

I have one, but it's in a drawer now because I was finding it too difficult to switch between it and a normal laptop keyboard. I want a split keyboard that has all the keys in the same places, so muscle memory doesn't need to adapt. I touch type, so the same fingers just need to find the same keys in the same relative positions. Mainlander does not do that, and I can't find the layout or top view zoomable photos for…

Found this through url hacking: https://kinesis-ergo.com/wp-content/uploads/Adv360-Overhead_...

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Post by zbuf »

ianleeclark wrote: post #289
sudhirj wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have one, but it's in a drawer now because I was finding it too difficult to switch between it and a normal laptop keyboard. I want a split keyboard that has all the keys in the same places, so muscle memory doesn't need to adapt. I touch type, so the same fingers just need to find the same keys in the same relative positions. Mainlander does not do that, and I can't find the layout or top view zoomable photos for…

The mistel barocco is an option. You can even combine the two sides of the keyboard without noticing that it could be seperable.

And its also distinctive because you can (with some caveats) use separate USB cables to each side, rather than a cable spanning the two parts. That works really well for me.

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grumpyprole wrote: post #288
waynesonfire wrote: post #271

if you're still young, learn dvorak as soon as possible and when you're wise, you won't be crippled like these folks praising this keyboard.

I don't think there is universal agreement for Dvorak being more ergonomic than Qwerty. Qwerty was designed to make key presses with alternative hands statistically likely (to benefit mechanical type writers). But this is also a good ergonomic property. For example, common English works like "the" can be typed with one hand with Dvorak, but this is not necessarily ergonomic. It causes one to contort the hand more tha…

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Re: Kinesis Advantage 360

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Post by waynesonfire »

Symbiote wrote: post #300
grumpyprole wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there is universal agreement for Dvorak being more ergonomic than Qwerty. Qwerty was designed to make key presses with alternative hands statistically likely (to benefit mechanical type writers). But this is also a good ergonomic property. For example, common English works like "the" can be typed with one hand with Dvorak, but this is not necessarily ergonomic. It causes one to contort the hand more tha…

This is completely wrong; I think you must be thinking of something other than Dvorak. "The" requires both hands on Dvorak, and "th" is the easiest right-hand finger-roll¹, equivalent to "kj" on Qwerty. E is one of the strongest keys on the left hand. On Qwerty, this extremely common English word requires moving the fingers away from the home position, and the T (second most frequent English letter) is one of the lon…

it's not just left vs right hand. i don't mind using both hands. there are positions on the keyboard that are easier to access than others. for example, home row keys are the easiest to press while keys near the edges of the keyboard above and below the pinky are more difficult. as a dvorak typist for 20 years, it seems to me that dvorak maps frequently pressed keys and combinations of keys in zones that are easier to access compared to qwerty. over my lifetime, i'm certain this has paid dividends.

dvorak was optimized for comfort while qwerty was optimized for a mechanical device. dvorak is like shitting on a bidet and to me it's very strange that folks prefer to smear poop on themselves with paper.

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Post by grumpyprole »

Symbiote wrote: post #300
grumpyprole wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there is universal agreement for Dvorak being more ergonomic than Qwerty. Qwerty was designed to make key presses with alternative hands statistically likely (to benefit mechanical type writers). But this is also a good ergonomic property. For example, common English works like "the" can be typed with one hand with Dvorak, but this is not necessarily ergonomic. It causes one to contort the hand more tha…

This is completely wrong; I think you must be thinking of something other than Dvorak. "The" requires both hands on Dvorak, and "th" is the easiest right-hand finger-roll¹, equivalent to "kj" on Qwerty. E is one of the strongest keys on the left hand. On Qwerty, this extremely common English word requires moving the fingers away from the home position, and the T (second most frequent English letter) is one of the lon…

> This is completely wrong; I think you must be thinking of something other than Dvorak.

Yes, apologies, my example was wrong and I was probably confusing Dvorak with another layout. I would like to see some better statistics on hand alternation though, because qwerty is quite good at this (as Wikipedia states) and it would be interesting to see where it actually sits relative to the other layouts.

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