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Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by grishka »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #299
grishka wrote: post #226

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I've always liked Apple's approach more. There are public APIs that are mostly guaranteed to work across system versions. Then there are private ones. You can reverse engineer them. You can use them in your apps. They might even do what you wanted. But you're on your own with them, as Apple rightfully considers itself free to break anything that isn't part of the public SDK. Microsoft, on the other hand, sees that so…

Maybe that’s part of why Windows owns the enterprise and Apple isn’t really a thing in that market.

I've never understood this desire to run everything 100% natively all the time AND keep your system up to date. Just put a Windows 95/98/2000/XP VM into Windows 11, integrate its window manager with the host desktop, and be done with it forever. Start it transparently for apps that need it. IIRC Apple did a similar thing when transitioning from classic Mac OS to OS X, and it worked pretty well.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by iggldiggl »

seritools wrote: post #184
tech234a wrote: post #178

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There are flags for this. There is a flag to toggle “Microsoft Edge scrolling personality” in Edge and there is a flag to toggle smooth scrolling overall.

I am aware of these, yeah - "Microsoft Edge scrolling personality" is only for touch scrolling gestures as far as I can tell, it doesn't affect scroll wheel scrolling for me. I've disabled smooth scrolling in Edge because of this, yes.

> as far as I can tell, it doesn't affect scroll wheel scrolling for me

Nor scroll to top/bottom via the Home/End keys. In Firefox (or Chrome for that matter) it's quick enough that I don't mind the smooth scrolling, but in Edge it's comparatively and disconcertingly slow.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

watersb wrote: post #271
jeffmill wrote: post #256

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> For Notepad a frustrated engineer had produced a change-set to fix all of them Hey, that was me (JeffMill). I was a dev lead for the Windows shell team at the time, and I got frustrated with notepad not getting any attention, so I spent a weekend and made the changes you describe and more, and had one of my reports code review it. I checked the changes in, and that week, some of the members of test team (remember t…

If I could upvote you ten points, I would. I love Notepad. I love the .LOG feature. I hit F5 for fun. For some reason, the dead-simple text editors have always fascinated me. It's damn near good enough.

First thing I do on any windows machine is replace notepad with notepad2 [0], there are installs of it that hides original notepad and uses notepad2 in all the "Edit" context menus etc.

https://notepad2.com

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by Tempest1981 »

rasz wrote: post #243
Tempest1981 wrote: post #190

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Doesn't UWP/WinUI render using DirectX? What makes it so slow?

Prevailing reason for the speed of ms code: >I believe what you’re doing is describing something that might be considered an entire doctoral research project in performant terminal emulation as “extremely simple” somewhat combatively. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/10362

So rendering glyphs (with textures?) is slow, vs GDI.

And I guess DirectDraw lacks a fast API to do colored text?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by lucb1e »

recursive wrote: post #168
lucb1e wrote: post #148

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There is also write.exe or, just a suggestion, buy MS Office Word in a package deal for like ninety nine bucks. I can see why notepad might be deemed unimportant by Microsoft with both a commercial alternative to push and a more powerful editor also built in. (Assuming write.exe is still in W11, last I used was 7 I think.)

So Notepad is not core OS functionality because you can buy Word for only $99 to edit your config files? Am I getting this right?

You edit config files in Windows? Registry is all the rage there, unless you use tools made to be cross-platform (which, for devs, is obviously a lot, but I can see an argument that notepad isn't that important to the OS).

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by thedougd »

seritools wrote: post #118

10 minute QA because they don't seem to have done it: - It consistently starts slower than Notepad3 while having substantially fewer features to load (and also slower than the old Notepad of course) - THEY ANIMATED THE SCROLLING OMG PLEASE DONT DO THIS (especially when grabbing the scroll bar handle). Any amount of delay is too much in notepad - the animation runs at 60Hz even on a high refresh rate screen, so it loo…

Does it append .txt when you don't want it to? `Notepad config.rc` ends up saving as config.rc.txt?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by thedougd »

I would love for Windows to ship with a command line text editor so that I could be guaranteed to have something when using a remote command line. The moral equivalent of knowing vi will be on any Linux system from a server to doorbell. Maybe I'll learn about one from the HN crowd. I've tried my old DOS go-tos (e.g. edit), but they're no longer around.

Sometimes I just copy and paste file contents to local, edit, and write it to out with command line utilities or powershell.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by majkinetor »

thedougd wrote: post #308

I would love for Windows to ship with a command line text editor so that I could be guaranteed to have something when using a remote command line. The moral equivalent of knowing vi will be on any Linux system from a server to doorbell. Maybe I'll learn about one from the HN crowd. I've tried my old DOS go-tos (e.g. edit), but they're no longer around. Sometimes I just copy and paste file contents to local, edit, and…

Indeed. And not only that, but for it to work remotely, via for example PSSession.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by babypuncher »

jordache wrote: post #297
babypuncher wrote: post #185

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Isn't that how most operating systems are? macOS and most Linux distros direct the user to creating and living in an "Administrator" account, but require confirmation from the user (or extra steps) whenever invoking the privileges that comes with.

That is true on macos. I'm being prompted for any consequential actions. In Windows 10 + 11, that prompt does not exist, if you are signed in with the admin account.

Windows absolutely does unless you turn User Account Control off. This has been part of the operating system since Vista.
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