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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ng12 »

summerlight wrote: post #280

I personally think there's a good compromise to prevent "dislike" campaigns while keeping roughly same amount of information (putting quality labels with simple anti spam modeling would work fine), but still it looks like YT wants to get rid of the button itself ultimately? Otherwise it's hard to explain why they didn't even try such middle ground first.

Because dislike campaigns are a lame excuse. Don't forget the most disliked video of all time was published by Youtube itself. Now it's just a video with 220M views and 3M likes.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by kortex »

notatoad wrote: post #252
polote wrote: post #175

My bet is that people will start posting a comment saying "upvote this comment if you want to downvote", the comment will rank first and it will be as if you have a public dislike count

they might, but chances are that if you force people to move their dislikes into the comments, they're going to provide more information than just "downvote", and the top comment will be some variaton of * "the information in this video is wrong" * "i don't like the person who made this video" * "this isn't the content i expect from this channel" all of which is vastly more useful than just a downvote.

Task failed successfully. I would love for this to come to pass. I don't think that was their intent.

Unfortunately comments are less indelible (more delible?) than downvotes. As evidenced by the shadowban in OP.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by notJim »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #174
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

I'm really puzzled why anyone cares about this so passionately. I'm not a YouTube diehard but I use it pretty regularly to watch a handful of channels I like, maybe 2-3 hours per week watching videos on the site. Occasionally I'll search for how to video and click on whatever is in the top few results on Google. I've seen several posts now across different sites lamenting this change, but I've yet to see anything rem…

I watch a lot of of diy/how-to videos and the dislike count is really key for knowing if the video is worth watching or a waste of time. I don’t want to sit through a 10 minute video where the person rambles for 9 minutes and then doesn’t answer any questions. Obviously for very popular videos, it’s not super meaningful, because the popularity of the video is already indicating the quality to some extent. But for more niche videos, it’s super useful to see that one video has 10 likes and 50 dislikes. Then I can move on.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by notJim »

charcircuit wrote: post #270
uh_uh wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I do the unthinkable and just give it a go for a few minutes You do this on a societal level and you waste centuries. There's no need for thousands of people to watch a few minutes of a bad DIY video to conclude that it's crap.

>You do this on a societal level and you waste centuries. What you are missing is that YouTube recommends videos that you will likely enjoy. YouTube's recommendations try to minimize this waste.

Some of us are looking to learn or do a specific thing, not just waste time on whatever videos YouTube is recommending. This weekend I am planning to install a tow hitch on my car. I highly doubt YouTube is going to recommend just the right video for that at exactly the right time. YouTube knows me pretty well, but I doubt they know whether I want to learn about dark matter or modular synthesizers at this exact moment.

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Post by etchalon »

paulpauper wrote: post #239
krapp wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the same cannot be said for Facebook or YouTube There are literally hundreds of social media platforms and video hosting sites on the web. Many Youtubers are even advertising their content on alternative platforms.

but YouTube is 1000x more popular than the others and much nicer interface and useability. They are not interchangeable in the same way food choices are interchangeable.

… and Taco Bell is 1000x more popular than the vast majority of other restaurants.

Video services are interchangeable. They all have video. They may not have the videos you want to watch, just as other restaurants may not have food you want to eat.

YouTube makes a product. You use that product. No one is forcing you, legally or otherwise, to use it. You can easily not use the product. There are viable competitors to that product. If YouTube stops being good, people will move on to another product.

You cannot, on one hand, remark on how much nicer of an interface YouTube has while also complaining that a change the team which created the superior interface has chosen to make, in hopes of making the interface better, is somehow "tyranny".

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by hstan4 »

godshatter wrote: post #178

Likes and dislikes are a horrible way to judge a video, ime. I don't know who liked or disliked a video or for what reasons. A like by someone may be a good reason for me to watch the video where a like by someone else might be an excellent reason not to watch it. Similar for dislikes. Of the two, I guess I prefer likes. People who dislike videos are usually upset about something specific, often things I don't really…

Other people have already made this point but the places it’s very clear likes/dislikes are great for is for “how to” type videos. In that case you very likely know that the dislike or like is because it effectively showed you how to do something.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by yeetman21 »

kazinator wrote: post #273
cbozeman wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> YT is too vastly big for that. No it's not, it's our society that's fucked. It's our CEOs' legal requirement of fiduciary responsibility that causes these problems. YouTube was 10.9% of Google's revenue for the year 2020, with something around $19,770,000,000 of income. How many employees could Google hire to manually investigate and take action against users? Even 10% of that income to address this problem would h…

Suppose a person hired by Google is paid $60 per hour, and can review 20 video comments in that time with a reasonable thoughtfulness. So every human review costs Google $3. The entire revenue of $20B could be blown through on reviewing 6B comments. If you want to keep this activity to 10% of revenue, that caps you to 600M comments. > No it's not And I specifically said the site operators; people hired by Google to m…

who in their right mind would hire a content moderator for 60$ an hour? It would most likely be the work of some off shore English Speaking Country like India and they would get 6$ an hour, AI would first flag or not flag things and then the human moderators would intervene, just like how Facebook and China does it.

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BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

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