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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by supercheetah »

codetrotter wrote: post #24
stef25 wrote: post #15

Slightly OT - Isn't it obvious that NSO must be able to control every "copy" of Pegasus it sells? They wouldn't sell it unless they were absolutely sure it wouldn't be used against its own people and they have no problem selling to their arch enemies. NSO's defense has always been "we just sell the tech and can't be held responsible for what our clients do with it" (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode). I…

> They wouldn't sell it unless they were absolutely sure it wouldn't be used against its own people Why not? NSO Group is willing to sacrifice the lives of others for profit, so who’s to say that NSO Group would shy away from that?

Does Israel even have laws against spying on its own citizens? If not, or very weak one, it's hard to imagine it wouldn't want to spy on them, especially any political opposition.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by DSingularity »

joelbluminator wrote: post #297
helge9210 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1) You are making an hypothetical based on orders. Which amount to nothing. No, my colleague actually spent time in jail for military crimes. > 2) Searching google for You get what you search for. > you are just out of the loop Or, what is more probable, you are just pushing Hasbara.

Hasbara Hasbara. When you're pushing Palestinian narrative you're progressive. When you're pushing zionist narrative you're an evil Jew Hasbara troll.

Yeah, except the hasbara efforts are real and well documented.

Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by throwaway894345 »

stef25 wrote: post #15

Slightly OT - Isn't it obvious that NSO must be able to control every "copy" of Pegasus it sells? They wouldn't sell it unless they were absolutely sure it wouldn't be used against its own people and they have no problem selling to their arch enemies. NSO's defense has always been "we just sell the tech and can't be held responsible for what our clients do with it" (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode). I…

They don’t necessarily need a backdoor or similar to control it, they just need to be able to identify if it is being used against them and to be able to defeat it.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #243
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #221

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> I'm unaware of there being any restriction on using US banks Most institutions won’t open an account for someone with an OFAC hit. They legally can. But it involves a lot of extra legal, compliance and other costs. As a result, most don’t.

The Entity List isn't an OFAC hit, it's done by the Bureau of Industry and Security and is much less severe. It only bars certain exports, and the financial industry isn't exporting anything.

> Entity List isn't an OFAC hit, it's done by the Bureau of Industry and Security and is much less severe. It only bars certain exports, and the financial industry isn't exporting anything

Have you implemented a BSA, AML and OFAC program? Or worked at a financial institution that had? Because I have. You are as incorrect as your are adamant.

In case you're arguing in good faith, no, the Entity List isn't administered by OFAC. But it is a sanctions list, and as such, colloquially, generates an "OFAC hit" in compliance terms. If you work, or have worked, for an Entity List firm, you're going to have a hard time obtaining and maintaining bank or brokerage accounts, or buying insurance, from U.S.-regulated or interacting firms.

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Post by pvarangot »

whimsicalism wrote: post #272
pvarangot wrote: post #254

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> Were violent European revolutions against their monarchs all terroristic? Unfortunately the answer is something like "yes but we don't want to speak about that because it makes us feel uncomfortable" most of the time. Thing is western society has been doing well the past 20/30 years regarding civil-war like violence at a large scale and for a hard to fix issue, and no one wants to talk about how or why but everyone…

No, they weren't. Nevermind the fact that "terrorism" is a stupid word - these were justified conflicts of a people against tyranny. Violence for those aims is justified.

I don't think terrorism is a stupid word, it just means terrorizing civil population outside of normal militia vs. militia violence on the field. In a lot of those conflicts civilians that were persecuted by the government fought back with unconventional action, I'm not saying it was not justified, but it did involve innocent bystanders. For example during the end of the French revolution, as a reaction to the Reign of Terror and Robespierre, on the storming of the Hall of Paris.

What's stupid is thinking that on a violent conflict only one side can be guilty of terrorism.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by vxNsr »

whimsicalism wrote: post #171
koheripbal wrote: post #141

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One major function of a government is the monopoly on "cancelling" or really the use of force. The nice thing about western countries is that they require due process of law. ...which was followed in this case.

> The nice thing about western countries is that they require due process of law. ...which was followed in this case. Israel routinely skirts "routine operation of law" assassinating innocent civilians abroad and refusing to apologize.

> assassinating innocent civilians abroad

care to provide a source or evidence for this allegation?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by joelbluminator »

DSingularity wrote: post #303
joelbluminator wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hasbara Hasbara. When you're pushing Palestinian narrative you're progressive. When you're pushing zionist narrative you're an evil Jew Hasbara troll.

Yeah, except the hasbara efforts are real and well documented. Pretty disingenuous for you to try and present OP in such a way.

Every country in the world uses diplomacy and public relations to create a better strategic reality for itself, especially in times of conflict. Israel is no different than the U.S or Australia or the Palestinian Authority for that matter. It's pretty disingenuous of you to call it "Hasbara" when Israel does it as if it's some kind of Israeli phenomena.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by nwiswell »

kodah wrote: post #245
whimsicalism wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was part of a student group that was associated with the PFLP, which is labeled a terrorist group and has done violent acts, and was convicted on that basis. You know who else this sort of indict applies to? Nelson Mandela and his involvement with the ANC. Nevermind that I don't trust the Israeli legal system that existed in the 80s to give a fair shake to a Palestinian student activist.

I don't have any skin in the game here, just an observers perspective. Just looking through these comments I understand nothing of the narratives at play for either side. Most of them don't line up with history I can find at Wikipedia, or they'll partially match but then deviate significantly in some fanciful explanation.

This is the entire conflict in a nutshell. Sometimes it feels like there are no good guys on either side -- obviously not true, but the lack of any real ground truth can give rise to that illusion.

There's more mud than honor in the Middle East, I guess you could say, and probably not because there's a shortage of the latter.

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