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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 2:20 PM UTC

garrypettet wrote: post #274

owaislone wrote: post #165

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For me it is the ability to jump in, play for 30 mins and get out any time I want. The guarantee that everything that has a label of my console on it will work instead of my PC specs running it in a sub-optimal mode or not running at all. The fact that I don't have to worry about dealing with Windows or PC in general just to play some games but biggest of all, the ability to just pack it up and take it with me wherev…

That's not been my experience on a console since the Sega Megadrive. Whenever I find a couple of hours to play video games (working around kids, wife, etc) I inevitably have to spend an hour downloading countless patches, updates, etc. Modern day gaming consoles have become more difficult to just pick up and play than consoles of yesteryear.

There's definitely more obstacles in way of gaming, but I find consoles have way less of them than PC gaming does. A gaming console can really only get an OS update or a title update to slow you down, but on a gaming PC, you also have a bunch of drivers that want to update themselves and a bunch of gaming launchers that want to update themselves.

Also, I find Windows updates much more annoying than I find PlayStation updates.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 2:23 PM UTC

doikor wrote: post #99

shocks wrote: post #94

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You’ve missed the point. I don’t want to setup and configure yet another computer.

There is not a whole lot of configuring to do. Just buy a prebuilt and install Steam and you are done. After that you install the games in steam, launch them from steam, buy them from steam etc. Basically the same experience as the dashboard on playstation or xbox.

>After that you install the games in steam, launch them from steam, buy them from steam etc.

You mean you buy them from Steam, you launch a third-party launcher from Steam and launch your game through that launcher. I know that at least EA and Rockstar force you to use their launcher even if you buy on Steam and Microsoft also requires you to have Xbox stuff (at least for Forza Horizon).

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Aaargh20318 » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 2:24 PM UTC

zaarn wrote: post #256

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #252

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>This is in addition to the opportunity costs you incur of not buying a PC or having a lower powered PC as a PC can be used for other things (ie, office work, taxes, other productivity tasks). Work related stuf I do on my work-provided MacBook Pro, that costs me €0. For browsing the web, e-mail and taxes I just use my iPad.

An iPad costs non significant amounts of money and not everyone is privileged enough to get a MacBook Pro for personal work from their employer.

> An iPad costs non significant amounts of money

Less than a PC

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

zeusk wrote: post #298

maccard wrote: post #294

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> But that’s not the case from the games I’ve played unless you’re getting into hypotheticals. No need for hypotheticals, Deep Rock Galactic [0] doesn't support play between the MS store and steam. Minecraft [1] has two versions that say they support cross play, except you can't play between the two (and depending on how you purchase the version you're playing, this is not clear, e.g. [2]). Marvel vs capcom Infinite…

I'd never heard of Deep rock, looking at data they have 8k players with a 40k peak - how likely is that this constraint is from their developer resource and not a platform limitation? Minecraft is inherently different here because they went for a re-write and chose to have two different "editions" of the game. As for F1 and Age of empires, I play it with my cousins weekly - you're welcome to join us through live or s…

> how likely is that this constraint is from their developer resource and not a platform limitation?

Of course it is, but that doesn't matter to a player who owns the game because microsoft say "Play anywhere" and "Crossplay" on their official marketing materials [0]

> Minecraft is inherently different here because they went for a re-write and chose to have two different "editions" of the game.

It doesn't really matter _why_, the fact is that it's the reality of being on an open platform that doesn't enforce these criteria. Being on a console you have to play by the rules of the platform which means that a bunch of things "just work", and those rules _mostly_ apply on PC, except when they don't.

> Links you posted are questions/troubleshoot from 1+ year ago. The AOE2 one, sure. F1 2019 doesn't work between the MS store and Steam still. That doesn't change the fact that these issues exist on PC, and they don't on console.

[0] https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/08/19/preview-deep-rock-gal...

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by epinephrinios » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 2:42 PM UTC

SirHound wrote: post #174

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Sony's exclusive games are the best IMO. You can't play those on PC (unless they do a PC-port many years later).

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by somehnacct3757 » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #247

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #223

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You're not following the trends closely enough. Nintendo combined their portable and console markets with the Switch and this console format is a huge hit with kids, parents, and adult gamers even. I suspect if MS takes another generational shellacking from Sony they will try a similar maneuver, combining the Xbox and Surface brands to make a single SKU gaming PC. The Xbox already runs Windows 10 with a custom ui. Th…

> Windows 10 with a custom ui. They won't drop out off the console race without trying this. If Valve effectively releases a Valve "console" (a fully fledged desktop PC with the Steam Deck experience + powerful GPU)... who are we kidding? Who will buy a walled garden after that? Seems to me like Microsoft will at best be just competing... If you follow the discussions on reddit about Steamdeck people are SUPER excite…

Windows (which has native support for Xbox controllers) shares a digital game store with Xbox now, there's even a subscription service that lets you play some games at launch. It's probably the best deal in gaming, if your metric is dollars per fun hours in trendy games.

Sony has not one but two subscription services with free games. Like USD $50/yr for access to 24 best sellers. You play them some time after launch. You can play recent releases on their more expensive subscription, I forget the price, but it's competing with the Xbox service I mentioned earlier.

So there's plenty of ways to play best sellers and fresh games for less than launch day full price. And even though the gardens are walled to their respective ecosystems, Sony and MS are targeting the same audience so the consumer still benefits from competition.

If Steam enters the arena with Steamdeck, they will be the ones competing against two established console makers who have steam's desired audience already bought in to subscription services.

I'm not convinced Valve moves to the front by default. I think it makes a three company race and Valve is going to have to lean HARD on the steamdeck form factor their first generation to establish themselves.

I don't think Valve is ready for the fiercity of the console wars at all. They couldn't even keep Epic game store at bay when they started dropping Fortnite money on exclusives. I'm sure they've learned their financial lesson on that one... now imagine inviting two more companies to bid on exclusives against you!

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Post by AltruisticGapHN » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 3:21 PM UTC

Toutouxc wrote: post #279

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #142

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Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support. Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console". Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherwor…

> Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherword a fully capable PC with desktop performance + the console user experience (or almost there) there is strictly no reason to buy a Sony/Nintendo console anymore I'm not sure I understand. What kind of device are you waiting for? The way I see it, a "fully capable PC with desktop performance + the con…

A PC where I never need to know about the OS.

Using a controller in front of my PC, while sitting at a desk, has never felt right for me. Always was awkward, when I have a keyboard and mouse in front of me.

So there is the form factor, plus all the hassle that goes with maintaining a PC.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by JeremyNT » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 3:25 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #128

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I plop down on my couch, pick up the controller, and it just works. Whereas on PC I have to go upstairs, usually switch out my work cables and keyboard/mouse, power up the thing, then fire up my game. Definitely less comfortable than the console experience, but on the other hand, there's games that just don't work on consoles (strategy, text-heavy games, etc). At the moment I play Sekiro on the console and FFXIV on t…

Isn't this just due to the way you chose to set things up? You could just as easily plug your PC into that same TV so you can sit on your couch and use a controller with it. You could also (I assume? I don't have a current gen console...) plug your console into the monitor and KVM.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #228

teamonkey wrote: post #160

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> Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. I've heard that for every console generation for the last 15 years. I don't think the arguments are any stronger now than they were in 2013.

Two big reasons why things are different: 1) with Valve's Steam Deck and the console-like experience for the Store on their Steam OS, PC GAMING is going to reach a broader market : you no longer need to install Windows, figure out driver updates or even how to use Windows, etc. in order to benefit from STEAM. edit: I have seen these type of gamers in the reddit discussions : they know about PC GAMING, they want a par…

1) The fact that Steam OS is Linux-based and mostly running games through Proton (Wine), I doubt we're going to see any console-grade "it just works" experience for a long time.

I've been playing Forza Horizon 5 during the weekend on my gaming PC. If I look it up on ProtonDB, I'm greeted with a red "BORKED" text for "won't start or is crucially unplayable". Forza Horizon 4, which is now three years old, is given a "Silver" rating. Looking through the comments, it varies between "Single player runs great", "Having minor issues" and "Won't run at all".

2) I think you're way overestimating the amount of money people spend and the amount of titles they buy. I'd wager that most people do not care about massive sales that much and they have a handful of titles they will play per year. And of course, there are the people who just buy FIFA / Madden / whatever when it comes out and play it for a year.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Hamuko » Mon, Nov 08, 2021, 3:53 PM UTC

somehnacct3757 wrote: post #223

AltruisticGapHN wrote: post #142

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Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support. Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console". Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherwor…

You're not following the trends closely enough. Nintendo combined their portable and console markets with the Switch and this console format is a huge hit with kids, parents, and adult gamers even. I suspect if MS takes another generational shellacking from Sony they will try a similar maneuver, combining the Xbox and Surface brands to make a single SKU gaming PC. The Xbox already runs Windows 10 with a custom ui. Th…

>have "won" the console war against MS three of the four generations

Four out of four generations if we go by (current) sales. The PS2 outsold everything, the PS3 had a narrow sales advantage compared to the Xbox 360, the PS4 pummeled the Xbox One and the PS5 has gotten a pretty considerable lead over the Xbox Series. Obviously the latter one is still an on-going matter and maybe the Series S will get a sudden boost in popularity later in the race (it's currently basically the only current-generation console you can find in stock easily, so it's probably not that popular now).