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Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by mensetmanusman »

ncmncm wrote: post #290
mek6800d2 wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated to the trailer issue, but everyday we should thank our lucky stars that there's no such thing as "stupid private sector bureaucrats exerting their petty, ignorant power like the Gods they think they are."

You appear to be unfamiliar with the phenomenon of oil companies. Or power utilities. PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California.

only by people who don’t understand the science of fires.

Fires need three things: fuel, oxygen, heat, and two are effected by humans.

Heat: PGE, Lightning, Vehicle fires etc. all statistically provide opportunities for heat.

Fuel: There is an order of magnitude more fuel than a century ago.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by ncmncm »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #301
ncmncm wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You appear to be unfamiliar with the phenomenon of oil companies. Or power utilities. PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California.

only by people who don’t understand the science of fires. Fires need three things: fuel, oxygen, heat, and two are effected by humans. Heat: PGE, Lightning, Vehicle fires etc. all statistically provide opportunities for heat. Fuel: There is an order of magnitude more fuel than a century ago.

We went decades without PGE systems routinely causing fires. Conditions now are somewhat different, but not that different. The important difference is PGE's maintenance policies. They abandoned that responsibility in order to deliver a dividend. They were ordered to resume, but there is a huge backlog of work.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by ncmncm »

no-s wrote: post #300
ncmncm wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You appear to be unfamiliar with the phenomenon of oil companies. Or power utilities. PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California.

PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California. That (officially sanctioned) conclusion was in complete disregard of the state and federal gov’t contribution. But I would agree with you that it’s an example of similar phenomena. Probably not for the same reasons. IMHO regulation, the phenomena of regulatory capture, and the implementation of regulatory compliance bureaucracy within PG&E…

Regulatory capture operates to eliminate the power of government to enforce responsible behavior in regulated industries.

Pretending otherwise is libertarian fantasy absolutely opposite to the objective facts.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by no-s »

cure wrote: post #34
politician wrote: post #15

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I mean, I also play Factorio and came away from reading the article thinking that yeah, increasing the headroom in the chests (aka container stacks) from 2 slots to 6 slots would definitely introduce slack into the system. The short haul loop to a staging and integration area would also help because it allows you to re-sort the inputs to maximize pickup efficiency and is also something I've done in Factorio games. It…

> It might be fun to release a Port of Los Angeles savegame that challenges folks to unhork the port. That would be awesome!

what’s really awesome is how Google refuses to believe “unhork” could be a real word or even slang. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. This truly is representative of the emergent horkage of bureaucratic oligarchy founded on algorithms. The supply chain crisis is merely representative of the same noumenon. HHOS.

On the flip side, hackspek is becoming obscure again. Which may be desirable to those who would be secret masters of hackerdom.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by monocasa »

ncmncm wrote: post #295
monocasa wrote: post #294

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Maybe if we paid a decent salary, we wouldn't get the bottom feeders who are only in the job for grift and corruption opportunities.

You don't seem to be getting what motivates people to go into politics. They are not looking for ways to avoid involvement in corruption. The opportunity to be involved in the favors economy is most of the job's appeal. Paying them more would just cost more.

I can see how you can think that's the case if you set up the incentives to only attract those people.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by SilasX »

djrogers wrote: post #283
SilasX wrote: post #264

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Why is everyone "suspecting" this? The blog post starts by laying out that that was exactly what he did (knew beforehand and put it into a plausible but made-up narrative). See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29032229

The blogger doesn’t know any better than the rest of us if that’s what happened.

Even so, they should at least phrase it as "I agree with the author that..." rather than making it look like it's some brand new theory they're introducing to the discussion rather than the entire premise of the blog post.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by no-s »

ncmncm wrote: post #303
no-s wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California. That (officially sanctioned) conclusion was in complete disregard of the state and federal gov’t contribution. But I would agree with you that it’s an example of similar phenomena. Probably not for the same reasons. IMHO regulation, the phenomena of regulatory capture, and the implementation of regulatory compliance bureaucracy within PG&E…

Regulatory capture operates to eliminate the power of government to enforce responsible behavior in regulated industries. Pretending otherwise is libertarian fantasy absolutely opposite to the objective facts.

Regulatory capture blurs the line between government and industry. There’s no fantasy about it. The power is suborned, not eliminated. However I was pointing out the phenomenon as a precursor to enabling petty corporate bureaucracy empowered with government authority.

With respect to your comment, are we supposing regulatory capture is never a responsible corporate behavior? I’m not sure how we must conclude that responsible corporate behavior necessarily follows from and is solely dependent upon the exercise of regulatory power.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by ncmncm »

monocasa wrote: post #305
ncmncm wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't seem to be getting what motivates people to go into politics. They are not looking for ways to avoid involvement in corruption. The opportunity to be involved in the favors economy is most of the job's appeal. Paying them more would just cost more.

I can see how you can think that's the case if you set up the incentives to only attract those people.

It is the nature of the job to set up its own incentives. How it is is exactly how the people who do it want it to be.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by Diesel555 »

This is a lesson on policy and rhetoric. As a programmer I always assumed people thought like me. But they don't. Studying policy mid-career is one of the most eye opening things I have done. Like it or not, if you want to advance policy you have to set up an organized plan that evokes some emotion. This is opposed to applying only logic which would motivate me if I were the audience. Apply to reason alone and you will lose.

> Then our hero enters, and decides to coordinate and plan a persuasion campaign to get the rule changed. Here’s how I think this went down.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Post by ncmncm »

no-s wrote: post #307
ncmncm wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulatory capture operates to eliminate the power of government to enforce responsible behavior in regulated industries. Pretending otherwise is libertarian fantasy absolutely opposite to the objective facts.

Regulatory capture blurs the line between government and industry. There’s no fantasy about it. The power is suborned, not eliminated. However I was pointing out the phenomenon as a precursor to enabling petty corporate bureaucracy empowered with government authority. With respect to your comment, are we supposing regulatory capture is never a responsible corporate behavior? I’m not sure how we must conclude that res…

The rest of us have no reason to follow you on your flight into fantasyland. Have fun there.
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