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Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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It is? Source please. I've heard, for availability , "before the end of the year" and "Q1 2022" for mobile Alder Lake, which is what we're talking about.

Keep your eyes peeled tomorrow, desktop skus should ship early November. https://wccftech.com/intel-officially-launches-12th-gen-alde...

OK, so then that's not meaningful at all for the discussion which was about comparative strength of mobile SKUs.

Re: Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip

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I am curious to see how this compares to Graviton2, does anyone have relevant benchmarks/comparisons?

Not a rendering benchmark but Anandtech has a performance review for each. Looking on the massively multithreaded workload side having 64 cores seems to far outweigh having 8+2

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph15578/115097.png

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph17024/117494.png

You can dig into other benchmarks in the reviews https://www.anandtech.com/print/15578/cloud-clash-amazon-gra...

https://www.anandtech.com/print/17024/apple-m1-max-performan...

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Xeon W-11855M (6 cores) Xeon W-11955M (8 cores)

This 16 core $2000 part from the article only marginally beat the M1 Max, so seems somewhat unlikely that those smaller Xeons would do that well: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/193753/...

You mean the discontinued 2 year old CPU in you link beat the M1 Max? So what you're saying is the M1 Max is a little slower than a 2 year old Intel. Which makes sense. Thank you.

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That is not the part of your statement that I was saying is incorrect. The part that I still say you're wrong about is the statement that people who use CPU renderers do so because they're old school. To claim that is ignoring the realities of how GPU renderers handle large scenes. You again try and say the big studios are laggard in adopting tech, and have tired pipelines. That's not why they're using CPU rendering.…

You are not a precise person. You now say "That is not the part of your statement that I was saying is incorrect." But your first response was to say that I was "Completely untrue." Those two statements contradict themselves. That should teach me not to argue on the internet.

Okay, but you presented it as a whole statement and I clarified multiple times what I was contradicting in your posr? I also presented a nuanced argument based in real world usage, whereas you went off on projecting your uninformed opinions as fact.

Maybe get off the high horse.

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Can you share a laptop with one of them for comparison?

One of my laptops is a Dell Precision 7760. Xeon W-11855M, NVIDIA RTX, 128GB ECC RAM. I don't need too much storage, but you can get it with 14TB if you want. Note mine is a 6-core. There is an 8-core available w/ the Xeon W-11955M, which is faster than mine. It's only a little thicker than the macbook pro. It's keyboard doesn't break, and the product line has had a 4k screen since 5 years ago. It's 120Hz refresh rat…

We all know luggables exist, they're in the laptop category in name only.

A more practical and better deal would be to get a standard laptop and a beefy workstation/grid you can ssh into.

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Just FYI because I've seent that a few times already: A 60W/70W 3060 is -very slow-. There are many laptops that supply much more power and conversely also get better results.

That's a very good point. Do you thing running a 3060 at a higher TGP gets you the same perf/W? I'm genuinely curious where they have them set along the curve.

I mean 60W is very low, probably 90-100W is the sweetspot? I have a Legion 5 Pro which supplies 130W and that's pretty much the highest you will get.

I am pretty sure perf/W for the M1 Max chips is excellent, better than the 3060. But saying it performs "on par" with a 3060 isn't really correct.

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Yes, your Xeon from 2013 example would be nowhere near the 2021 CPU from Apple. The outdated Xeon Apple had in their old laptops - a year behind everyone else, is also slower. The Xeon W-11955M however makes the M1 look like a kid's toy. In fact, if you remove 2 cores from that Xeon, you'll have my 6-core Xeon. Which also smokes that 10-core M1 in a bong. I'm also not sure why you're sarcastic about ECC RAM. I have 1…

> doesn't support ECC cannot be taken seriously for professional use. Like the M1 Max. M1X is using DDR5 which does have on-die ECC.

> on-die ECC

which is not ECC RAM, results in bit errors, and is not used in a professional enterprise setting. thank you for agreeing with me. ECC RAM is not available on any Apple laptops. Which makes sense, because they are consumer laptops, not pro laptops.

Me: the pipe bomb apple made in their garage is not a tomahawk missile. You: The pipebombs use explosives and can be thrown to hit remote targets - making them a tomahawk missle. You're like the guy saying the I9 is the same as a Xeon, with the only difference being "extra enterprise features" - which can be ignored, because because. Here in reality, you're doing mental gymnastics and stretching the facts to fit your feelings. like the guys putting horse dewormer in their butt to cure covid.

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That's the thing most people don't get about Intel: nothing has really changed perf-wise since Haswell, which is older than that. If your old Haswell / Skylake machines still work (and if you don't need Windows 11 which doesn't support them), there's zero technical reason to upgrade to something newer, at least on the desktop. There's been some progress in terms of power efficiency on laptops, but even there 5+ year…

> That's the thing most people don't get about Intel: nothing has really changed perf-wise since Haswell, which is older than that. Single core performance on current i9 processors benchmarks at twice the performance of the Haswell chips. Multicore performance is ~4x. They definitely slept for a while and AMD started taking their lunch money with Ryzen and EPYC but "nothing has really changed since Haswell" is blatan…

I'm sure that's what Intel would like you to believe. But if you benchmark this stuff (which I have) you will see that real world single core perf hasn't moved much in a decade, and memory bandwidth is never "94GB/sec" or whatever, especially not in a laptop.
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