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Post by jbluepolarbear »

randomopining wrote: post #226
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #184

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White people don’t count towards diversity. White people are the status quo. White people don’t need to be represented in every situation. White people are over represented in tech and seeing white people in the minority is refreshing. Would you have the same opinion if there were no people of color? Would you voice that concern?

Thought you started out sarcastic, then realized you might not be sarcastic. Amazing that people went from "we need all colors represented in ads as best as possible" which was completely reasonable, to "maybe we don't need white people in ads at all sometimes, ok? maybe it's a good thing!" which is objectively an absurd stance.

What’s so absurd? Often people of color are left out, why not the reverse? Your view stinks of privilege.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by jay_kyburz »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #294
whichquestion wrote: post #49

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5 years of security updates, 3 years of feature updates. On the page it says on the 12th footnote, "Feature drops for at least 3 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Your Pixel will receive feature drops during the applicable Android update and support periods for the phone. See g.co/pixel/updates for details." On https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 it says…

It's funny that when discussing the topic of "updates" and obsolescence, users focus on the vendor as if they have exclusive control over the situation. Authors of applications may also play a role. For example, when they "update" their applications to only work with newer versions of Android. Depending on the user's application needs, that can shorten the life of a an Android device. Some applications will continue…

This is whats wrong with my iPad. I don't care that it doesn't get updates from Apple, but the web has moved on and it will fail to open a lot of web pages.

Failed to load the deno.land standard library docs just last night while I was watching TV.

Still not going to buy a new iPad though.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ir123 »

krzyk wrote: post #248
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White people don’t count towards diversity. White people are the status quo. White people don’t need to be represented in every situation. White people are over represented in tech and seeing white people in the minority is refreshing. Would you have the same opinion if there were no people of color? Would you voice that concern?

Why do you think white people are over represented in tech (you forgot about Asians, which are there also)? Because they are interested in it. Just like some like math, others like sports. Why e.g. women are the majority of teachers (at least in my country)? They like to teach, are good with children. That's natural and you won't change that with ads that reverse the ethnic proportions in given country.

Are you insinuating that certain races are "naturally" more inclined to be interested in math and tech?

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

krzyk wrote: post #248
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White people don’t count towards diversity. White people are the status quo. White people don’t need to be represented in every situation. White people are over represented in tech and seeing white people in the minority is refreshing. Would you have the same opinion if there were no people of color? Would you voice that concern?

Why do you think white people are over represented in tech (you forgot about Asians, which are there also)? Because they are interested in it. Just like some like math, others like sports. Why e.g. women are the majority of teachers (at least in my country)? They like to teach, are good with children. That's natural and you won't change that with ads that reverse the ethnic proportions in given country.

This is a systemic way of thinking. “Oh, most of the people working in this industry is one thing, let’s isolate this group further and discourage others from joining”. That’s how you sound.

Also, depending what on the source white people (in the US) account for between 60 to 70 percent of the tech work force.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by meltedcapacitor »

progbits wrote: post #77
DCKing wrote: post #20

Thanks Google. Think I’ll be buying this. I want as little to do with Google’s services as possible in my life, but they really deserve credits for making a modern usable smartphone that is reasonably open. There is just one single feature I will be buying this for - the 5 years of software updates. While good image processing is definitely a pro, all of these software you’re presenting features I really don’t give a…

Definitely agreed, longer software support would be nice. On the other hand the repairability is important too, if you can replace battery and fix a broken screen easily the phone is unlikely to be useful after that many years anyway. I think the previous pixels were reasonably good in that regard (not compared to framework of course). Improving that would be higher priority in my eyes. Software support can always co…

AOSP does not help with the mountain of closed vendor blobs at the bottom of the stack.

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Post by wpietri »

busymom0 wrote: post #160
ehsankia wrote: post #123

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1. Not true, I see at least 2 [0] [1] 2. Even if it was true, welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. [0] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/s6bCli03aqnY_KvZoPaTgiFqCj... [1] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zq1FVWVv9GOCRJ3oHJg0PHzWgE...

> welcome to not being included for once in your entire life. Now maybe you can start to begin to understand what others have experienced basically every day of their life. Your examples are proving OP's point. Your snarky response is what's wrong with the world now a days. I am brown but this over-pandering by companies feels more patronizing and condescending than genuine care. It's like winning an award or being h…

> their heart surgeon was hired because of their skin color

This may come as a surprise to you, but for most of American history surgeons were hired because of their skin color and genitals (two things not as far as I know used during the practice of medicine). And many probably still are. The number of medical degrees for women is now about at parity [1]. But as far as practicing physicians go, only 38% are women [2]. And the numbers for surgery are much lower. I've heard from multiple friends in medicine tell me that surgery has a culture that's very macho and frequently abusive.

[1] https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/nation-s-physician-workfo...

[2] https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/physicians-by-gend...

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by howinteresting »

ericmay wrote: post #298
howinteresting wrote: post #242

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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here--all iOS browsers are custom skins on top of Safari . Yes I'm aware of WKWebView and how it's not the same as Safari. I'm using the classic meaning of browser skins, dating back to browsers like Maxthon which were wrappers over Trident in exactly the same way.

No I'm not being sarcastic - I think calling the apps a skin on top of Safari is a bit of an over-simplification. Most features that users notice happen at this skin layer, not the rendering layer. It's peak HN to really be caring about this especially as Apple offers (as far as I know) no performance difference across browsers using Webkit or w/e. You could actually just say that Safari itself is a skin too, just th…

What about security updates or new HTML features? Chrome or Firefox on Android get security updates for many years after official system updates end. The same is not true for Apple.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by ir123 »

randomopining wrote: post #226
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White people don’t count towards diversity. White people are the status quo. White people don’t need to be represented in every situation. White people are over represented in tech and seeing white people in the minority is refreshing. Would you have the same opinion if there were no people of color? Would you voice that concern?

Thought you started out sarcastic, then realized you might not be sarcastic. Amazing that people went from "we need all colors represented in ads as best as possible" which was completely reasonable, to "maybe we don't need white people in ads at all sometimes, ok? maybe it's a good thing!" which is objectively an absurd stance.

I'm genuinely asking, are you insecure that white people might be left out for good or something?

I don't get how some occasional over representation of minorities bothers people this much.

It wouldn't bother me a bit if it happened in my country.

Re: Google Pixel 6 and Pixel 6 Pro

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Post by nharada »

dreamer7 wrote: post #37

One interesting thing to note is how much more high-budget Hollywood style Apple's event feels in comparison to Google's event. Having watched the two events on successive days, some things stand out - Apple throws numbers repeatedly at you through out the presentation and you end up remembering quite a few useless statistics (55.7 billion transitors in M1 Max) Apple makes a much bigger deal about each device with lo…

Is this also a difference in audience though? Yesterday's event was geared mainly towards creative professionals who are both more technical than average as well as have specific technical needs. Today's is towards the average consumer for a consumer device (even though it's called the "Pro").

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Post by gigel82 »

simonh wrote: post #254
flutas wrote: post #46

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> their intent is to scan cloud photos corrected: their intent is to scan all photos in your photo library, on your device, including images automatically pulled in from from various sources such as messages, if you have iCloud Photo enabled.

They do not have the ability to scan photos stored on your phone that are not uploaded to iCloud. The scan is only implemented in the iCloud photos upload system.

If that was the case they'd just implement it on their own servers, just like everybody else (it's not like iCloud is E2EE).

In reality they probably have a "photoscanner.so / .dylib" that currently is only linked in by the iCloud uploader thing, but at any time could be called in by any other part of the system (or offer exploits new avenues for data exfiltration), which was actually spelled out in their initial announcement (there will be a system API for accessing it).

So they absolutely have the ability to scan photos on your phone; the fact that they don't intend to currently use it outside of the iCloud uploader is totally immaterial to this debate (the thing I don't want on my phone is photoscanner.so or any such capability).

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