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Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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> "The free movement of labour is part of the European Union, and we tried very hard to convince the British not to leave the Union," said Olaf Scholz, the Social Democrat candidate to succeed Angela Merkel as German chancellor. "They decided differently. I hope they will manage the problems coming from that," Scholz said. Man, I can smell the schadenfreude from all the way over here.

The issue with free movement of labor is that it only works out well across a region with standardized pay rates. Otherwise corporations will import labor from the low-cost zones and fire their high-cost local workers. This causes a lot of anger, see Brexit.

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Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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> ..as I think most people are just filling up to the top instead of half way.. Perhaps I am missing something here, but are you referring to vehicles in this context? Is it not common to always fill your tank to the top?

Tell me you are an American without telling me you are an American. Jokes apart, in Europe the gasoline is so expensive that you need ~80€ to fill up a small car. For an SUV can be close to 100€. So we just fill up to just what is absolutely necessary and then we live in anxiety :)

Anecdata on this: yesterday I filled up an almost empty 55 Lt tank for €90. The actual petrol cost €35, the remaining €55 was taxes.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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The issue with free movement of labor is that it only works out well across a region with standardized pay rates. Otherwise corporations will import labor from the low-cost zones and fire their high-cost local workers. This causes a lot of anger, see Brexit.

And yet the truck driver openings, now that the low cost workers are gone, have yet to see a significant pay rise to bring in locals that have never considered the job until now And if, lets say, the corporations will now have to pay double for UK citizens to drive the gas delivery trucks. Wouldn't that raise the gas prices quite considerably? The world outside the UK is working pretty well with labor import. Even a…

> Wouldn't that raise the gas prices quite considerably? I would be surprised if the distribution cost of petrol was more than 2% of the pump price. Quick googling gives numbers of around 2p/litre, around 5 years ago. That's total distribution costs, not just driver pay.

This suggests that doubling the pay of the truck drivers would make a much less than 2% increase in pump prices.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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You definitely get the impression that the other EU members intend to punish the UK for leaving.

I definitely sense a smug air of "this is all your fault and you deserve every ounce of pain for leaving. Let that be a lesson to you!"

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

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> I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe Might it not be fairer to state the sentence either as this: > I'm sorry that the reality I want to believe does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe ... or this ... > I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up with the reality you experience All in good faith of the discussion.

I don't think so personally. I see it based on what I know versus what they know. I know about my reality, whereas they want to believe something different about my reality. I'm not saying they want to believe something about their _own_ reality, I'm saying that it is about my own. I had an experience and they are saying "no, you didn't", which is them projecting their belief onto my experience of reality. So I think…

You have literally stated that any view which differs from yours is based on lies. Let me know how that works out for you.

As an aside, this sort of attitude is probably why you ‘better educated’ people lost the vote.

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I definitely sense a smug air of "this is all your fault and you deserve every ounce of pain for leaving. Let that be a lesson to you!"

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party.

>" 'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."

Yep! This is exactly the kind of sentiment I was talking about.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Also if you fill it up you have to tow it around with you; an extra 40kgs of weight in the car which costs a bit. The fill it up to the brim meme seems to come from emergency preparedness folks like the police and the army where no vehicle goes to the parking space overnight without being 100% as ready as it can be for tomorrow.

>an extra 40kgs of weight in the car which costs a bit. Do European cars have gigantic fuel tanks? 40kgs is 40 / 0.71kg/L = 56.3L ~= 14.9 gallons. 14.9 gallons is as much, or more than any car I own carries. And I've never put more than 13 gallons into any vehicle ever during a single fill up. To have that kind of "spare" capacity beyond what would be necessary for my daily commute, I'd need to be driving a large SUV…

I have a BMW 1 Series and always fill to the brim, highest I've got is 48L so I expect full to be 50L.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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I think about myself as a pretty standard middle class person who's obviously empathetic to those who have less. But this proves how easy it is to be out of touch an not even realize it. I really had no idea. I just assumed when you filled, you filled all the way.

Unless your petrol station is on one of your regular routes, it's false economy not to fill up completely when you have an empty tank, otherwise you are incurring an extra trip to the petrol station. Of course if you can't afford a full tank, and are living hand to mouth each month/week, then you are in the poverty trap where everything is a percentage more expensive for you overall.

But the efficiency is lower driving around with a full tank.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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I’ve seen some people keep the tank only partially full because it improves performance (the car will be more efficient if it is lighter and might eg handle better too, especially if it is a small car) though I don’t really buy that argument. But if you supposed that everyone drove normally until their tank was 1/8 full then refuelled to the top, the average tank would be 7/16 full so if lots of people refuel all at…

That argument seems ridiculous. Gasoline weighs 6.3 pounds per gallon and most cars have 15-20 gallon tanks, so if you keep your tank around half-full your car will be lighter by maybe 50 or 60 pounds. Any performance improvement from that would be imperceptibly small.

Sorry but this is just wrong. The difference in feeling after filling up a small car from empty is significant just for normal driving. Look at what people pay for making sports cars lighter - 50 pounds is a lot!
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