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Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by iso1210 »

Bud wrote: post #295
iso1210 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only the most pedantic arsehole would assume that money given to someone doesn't count as 'salary'

Actually, if you bothered to look into this for more than two seconds, which you obviously didn't, you'd discover that Tim Cook has been receiving far less TOTAL compensation than all his peers, as well, for a long time now. And that's without taking his performance into account, which is, of course, obviously the best performance by any CEO in the world. So I'm pedantic and an asshole? Fuck that. Two can play at tha…

The claim was that Tim Cook's salary is enough to pay for "every apple salary in new york"

Given that equating "salary" and "total compensation" is a reasonable interpretation, and by the context the talk was about front line apple store workers rather than high level developers, the figures add up (and then some)

I'm making no judgement on Cook's compensation or value, just confirming the numbers, but you seem to take that as a personal attack.

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Post by webmobdev »

imgabe wrote: post #8

> Richard Dahan, who is deaf, said he had struggled at his former job at an Apple Store in Maryland for six years because his manager refused to provide a sign-language interpreter for him to communicate with customers, which federal law requires under some circumstances. This just doesn't seem like a reasonable accommodation for a retail job. Your whole job is to communicate with the customers. If you need to hire a…

> If you need to hire another person to do the communicating, what are you doing there? Why not just hire the interpreter?

A good question to ask Apple. Why are they hiring such people and then ignoring their workplace demands that would allow them to do thier job satisfactorily? Is there some federal program that allows them to claim some tax benefit by hiring the disabled? Is that why Apple doesn't care about them or their job performance?

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Post by wrestlerking »

imgabe wrote: post #8

> Richard Dahan, who is deaf, said he had struggled at his former job at an Apple Store in Maryland for six years because his manager refused to provide a sign-language interpreter for him to communicate with customers, which federal law requires under some circumstances. This just doesn't seem like a reasonable accommodation for a retail job. Your whole job is to communicate with the customers. If you need to hire a…

What if they want to move up?

How does the incidental learning work with the iPad? Are they experiencing equal employment opportunities as others? How can they contribute during the meetings without an interpreter? Should our expectations of them be lower because they are disabled?

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

imgabe wrote: post #8

> Richard Dahan, who is deaf, said he had struggled at his former job at an Apple Store in Maryland for six years because his manager refused to provide a sign-language interpreter for him to communicate with customers, which federal law requires under some circumstances. This just doesn't seem like a reasonable accommodation for a retail job. Your whole job is to communicate with the customers. If you need to hire a…

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Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by Bud »

iso1210 wrote: post #301
Bud wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, if you bothered to look into this for more than two seconds, which you obviously didn't, you'd discover that Tim Cook has been receiving far less TOTAL compensation than all his peers, as well, for a long time now. And that's without taking his performance into account, which is, of course, obviously the best performance by any CEO in the world. So I'm pedantic and an asshole? Fuck that. Two can play at tha…

The claim was that Tim Cook's salary is enough to pay for "every apple salary in new york" Given that equating "salary" and "total compensation" is a reasonable interpretation, and by the context the talk was about front line apple store workers rather than high level developers, the figures add up (and then some) I'm making no judgement on Cook's compensation or value, just confirming the numbers, but you seem to ta…

You're also leaving out the part that the year in question included a very large stock grant that Cook doesn't get every year; in most years his total compensation would be dramatically smaller, even if you assume he could magically liquidate all stock without depressing the stock price and also pay zero tax on that.

As for you pretending to be shocked that I considered your comments a personal attack, um, er, uh, you called me a "pedantic asshole". I think that qualifies.

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by dogman144 »

wheelinsupial wrote: post #299
dogman144 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It depends on what that corporate software is. Only a few of them skew towards real-time viewing of behavior. If what you’re referring to just generates a token that you then use to log onto a Vpn on a work device, that token generation is likely really limited in its access. The less like Google Auth, and the more like a custom solution the tool is, the more you have to think about device access you’re giving. I ope…

Thanks for the response. I am not familiar with either Google Auth of MDM. The token is installed with a suite of Microsoft apps such as Outlook and Teams. I definitely assume work provided devices are logged and I've been told work provided cell phones are logged, but I don't know if that extends to personal devices. Of course best case would be to try and find out if there is a way to use an external token generato…

If you name the app, can prob give a guesstimate

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by wheelinsupial »

dogman144 wrote: post #306
wheelinsupial wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the response. I am not familiar with either Google Auth of MDM. The token is installed with a suite of Microsoft apps such as Outlook and Teams. I definitely assume work provided devices are logged and I've been told work provided cell phones are logged, but I don't know if that extends to personal devices. Of course best case would be to try and find out if there is a way to use an external token generato…

If you name the app, can prob give a guesstimate

It's called SecureAuth Authenticate. Thanks for your time!

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Post by dogman144 »

wheelinsupial wrote: post #307
dogman144 wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you name the app, can prob give a guesstimate

It's called SecureAuth Authenticate. Thanks for your time!

Since it can do push notifications, prob some telemetry phones home to corporate around user agent/ip, minimal fingerprinting like that.

This part is interesting, future feature, wonder how they detect that on a personal device: “ Jailbreak detection If a user installs SecureAuth Authenticate on a jailbroken or rooted phone, SecureAuth will detect the occurrence and will not allow the user to set up a SecureAuth account. (Coming Soon)”

Ultimately, read your AUP and BYOD policy and see what you did/did not sign away wrt monitoring on personal devices. Quite likely you can raise an HR stink if this app had more than just basic telemetry and they mandate it to be on a personal device.

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