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Post by mjsweet »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #277
mjsweet wrote: post #163

I fell into a massive YouTube recommendation vortex two 1/2 years ago when my barista basically insisted I take all his Cafe's coffee grounds home and compost them. I had no idea how to compost (he was sick of telling customers it was going into landfill. every. single. day). I now have over 20kg's of worms spread over 30+ worm bins and I'm taking organic residue from all over the district and turning it into valuabl…

Any tips on getting organic material like this? We have a small market garden, and before COVID I was able to bring home buckets from the cafe at my office (Google Waterloo), but with the whole WFH situation I don't have that line anymore. I found that a 50/50 mix of composted coffee grinds + pure sand made a great growing medium for potted peppers.

I got into this because I can work from home with 3 small children. You can feed worms anything that once alive. You could ask your neighbours to leave a bucket of scraps out the front to pick up on a given day. Tree loppers always have to figure out where to take large amounts of wood chip, ask them to drop it off at yours if you can accommodate it. It's all about context. My context in Brisbane Australia (sub-topics and suburban) will be different to Phoenix or Ontario... all it takes is some phoning around and planning. BTW, carbon sources like wood chip are easier to manage than kitchen scraps. It takes some forethought to manage scraps because it can become smelly, fast. I have been using effective microbes (EM) to pickle scraps in poly barrels for later use with incredible success. I like your 50/50 mix idea, very intriguing. On that, anyone like yourself who has a curious mind, an optimisation mindset and a desire for continuous improvement will love the micro-composting space... so much scope for experimentation!

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Post by bserge »

robbomacrae wrote: post #179
swalsh wrote: post #11

The reccomendation system is absolutely dangerous. Just this summer, I watched one video on peppers out of curiousity. By the end of summer I've got multiple different varieties growing, and all the accessories to support them. I'm really enjoying my garden, but it's very unlikely I would have started one without the youtube algorithm. Similarly my doctor reccomended I exercise more, so I started running. Then I goog…

YouTube's recommendation system (and googles search engine if you see the comments in the other post today https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28550764 ) somehow escapes the flak that other systems, such as Facebook news & posts, get but I find it's equally damaging to society. There seems to exist a downward spiral where content that is prioritized to be attention grabbing over all else gets the most clicks and the…

I was recommended a video by some guy who ate $14000 worth of Wagyu steaks super fast...

Guess it had good acting, surely no one in their right mind is that excited to eat 5 kilos of meat with water in 5 minutes or whatever...

Just kinda felt disgusting, why does this have a million views? This guy's channel was all about eating shit fast... Wat

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Post by deadbyte »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #225
srcreigh wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal experience sharing time. I use YouTube heavily, and even pay for YT Premium. The other day a little modal appeared on the side of youtube.com desktop saying something like, "Curious for new stuff? Explore content that isn't what you usually watch." It ended up being sorta like an alternate reality. It was all the topics I usually watch, but with different channels I don't normally see at all. In other words,…

YouTube premium is the best streaming service. There’s so much content of high quality content that’s relatively niche. I recently stumbled on SummoningSalt’s videos about speed runners and I can’t imagine any other medium that would create incentives for that type of content. Of course you don’t need premium, but no ads is great! I’ve gone on to support people on patreon from YouTube, from cgp grey to stuffmadehere.…

SummoningSalt's material is always reliably great.

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Post by skybrian »

el_benhameen wrote: post #242
skybrian wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering what you mean by "dangerous" and what level of irony you're at. :-)

No irony, it’s dangerous. Wait until you get into woodworking youtube … you might be missing parts of your fingers, and you’ll definitely be missing most of your wallet.

I don’t know, blaming YouTube for that is kind of weird?

Also your original examples seem more positive. If more people started exercising and gardening because of YouTube, I think that would be amazing.

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Post by mrkramer »

jedimastert wrote: post #178
mrkramer wrote: post #162

Recommendation on YouTube is somewhat good but search sucks. When you search for something it throws at you random garbage on top of the thing you are actually looking for, think AltaVista vs Google yes Google you own the YouTube. There is no ability to search for videos in playlists and there is no ability to search videos' comments. Also they say >borderline content—that is content that comes close to, but doesn’t…

> TOS can not treat anything as "borderline" They addressed this, I think, later in the article > With all that, why don’t we simply remove borderline content? Misinformation tends to shift and evolve rapidly, and unlike areas like terrorism or child safety, often lacks a clear consensus. Also, misinformation can vary depending on personal perspective and background. We recognize that sometimes, this means leaving up…

>So much, in terms of moderation, what is acceptable, etc. is a constantly moving target. Even if there is an exactly right answer today, it might become an important conversation to have tomorrow

That's wrong you can not make ad hoc decisions without any forethought only in order to please someone or something within or outside the company(organization). I will again refer to the law; law is built on concepts and premises that have foundation in morale for example look at the US constitution or any constitution in the world.

5 years ago I use to watch WW2 documentaries on YT and I regularly stumbled upon neo-Nazi content, nowadays I can barely see any but together with neo-Nazi content being removed they removed legitimate WW2 documentaries that were meant for education purposes only I suppose because some of them used Nazi symbols and/or Nazi speech footage.

So 5 years ago neo-Nazi content was acceptable but today it is not?! It doesn't make sense to me.

They want to be politically correct that's why they change their community guidelines and TOS non-stop.

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Post by mackrevinack »

swalsh wrote: post #11

The reccomendation system is absolutely dangerous. Just this summer, I watched one video on peppers out of curiousity. By the end of summer I've got multiple different varieties growing, and all the accessories to support them. I'm really enjoying my garden, but it's very unlikely I would have started one without the youtube algorithm. Similarly my doctor reccomended I exercise more, so I started running. Then I goog…

you know things are getting stupid when you have to stop and think about whether you should open a youtube video in incognito mode or not

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Post by throaway46546 »

lordentropy wrote: post #5

For me, it seems like youtube's recommendation system mostly gets stuck in the local optimum. Once you watch a video from a particular channel, it'll keep on recommending the videos from the same channel for months. Soon, the recommendation just consists of stuff from the channels that have you already viewed. You rarely see new types of recommendations.

Mine is extra annoying. It will keep recommending videos I have already watched. If I go to my subscriptions there are new videos from the same channel, but on my recommended tab it keeps showing the same months/years old already watched video. I'm not sure how that is supposed to drive engagement.
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