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Post by peytoncasper »

sjy wrote: post #294
peytoncasper wrote: post #14

Interesting. I’m not from Australia but I thought the concept of an Administrative Appeals Tribunal interesting. It seems like a way to offload work from the main court system. According to Wikipedia it also does seem to have oversight by the Federal Court of Australia. [1] While I agree that this seems like a massive overstep. The actual body seems similar to the FISA court in the US. There wasn’t any detail in the…

The AAT is basically what’s known as an administrative court in other countries [1], or a consolidation of the numerous tribunals presided over by administrative law judges in the U.S. [2]. The average person in Australia is most likely to interact with the AAT by appealing a decision of the federal government in relation to child support, workers’ compensation, social security, immigration or tax [3]. Although the d…

Really appreciate the detailed answer @sjy! That makes sense, so it seems odd to me that this article is claiming this is effectively "warrantless". Functionally, it sounds like law enforcement still have to present their case to a judge and then there is a path for recourse on behalf of the citizen.

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Post by hanoob »

908B64B197 wrote: post #240
systemvoltage wrote: post #91

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Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown? Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid. Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse…

> I was fine with Gov-mandated measures last year when we didn't have vaccines. But, I am turning against my own self from last year. Several zip codes in the Bay are at what... 98% vaccination rate? I still don't get how the "much better" governments of Australia and New Zealands, held as examples through the pandemic, couldn't match the vaccine rollout of... the Trump Administration.

Maybe because US and Europe hoarded the vaccines? https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/what-we-do/news-storie...

I wouldn't give all the credit to the government for the low infection rate last year. I think it was mostly fear and reaction of people. e.g. by the time government started ordering restrictions, most companies had already switched to fully remote. Toilet papers were already gone from the supermarket shelves. People were already bunkering down. Then in a few weeks the infection peaked, and 2 months later students were back in school.

Since that initial success, the state governments improved their contact tracing process, which was successful to eliminate outbreaks every now and then, while things were mainly normal for most the year (except overseas travel).

Unfortunately, in late June this year, the Delta variant arrived to Sydney, and it proved impossible to control. The world-class contact-tracing process failed to stop the infection rate. So we are still in lock-down, with cases still increasing over a 1000 per day in the state (NSW).

However, other states in Australia are still enjoying full freedom. Probably, because they do snap lock-downs (3 to 7 days) whenever a case appears in the community.

Vaccination, the federal government put most of their eggs in one basket. It planned to produce and use the AZ vaccine, but the AZ blood clot issues, derailed their plans. So they stopped or limited AZ, and went begging for Pfizer doses. They are struggling to get enough of this, so they can acchieve 80% rate, to start re-openning the states currently in lock-down.

There might be plenty of vaccines in US and Europe, but unfortunately the rest of world can't get enough of it.

I can understand the initial delay in vaccination in AU & NZ, because given the scarcity of vaccines, and the high death rates in other countries, it would preferable the vaccines were given to those countries first.

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Post by cryptonector »

falcrist wrote: post #296
cryptonector wrote: post #281

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Since Salinas v. Texas you cannot stay quiet. You must invoke your 5th amendment right to not speak to the police, else they can use your silence against you at trial(!). Professor Duane has a video on that topic.

I seem to recall the correct thing to do is to ask for council.

That too. "I will not speak without a lawyer present" should do.

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Post by sjy »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #159

In what way was this bill "rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours"? The bill in question is dated 2020 and the committee was requesting submissions by 12th February[0] [0] https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joi...

You’re quite right, but it is exceptional that the bill passed the House of Representatives on the same day as its second reading speech, and passed the Senate on the following day [1]. This means that there was little time for debate and amendment within Parliament itself, including by minor parties [2] and independents [3] not represented on the committee that reviewed the first draft of the bill.

[1] https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_Legislat...

[2] https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display....

[3] https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display....

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Post by cookie_monsta »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #30
908B64B197 wrote: post #7

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> Is there a way out of surveillance? Vote with your feet. Divest out of Australia. Make sure there's a brain drain out of the country.

> Divest out of Australia. Time to sell AAAU etf, you can't trust a bank if the gov't is corrupt.

If you have been trusting Australian banks I would refer you to the recent Royal Commission:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/20/banki...

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Post by akvadrako »

morganvachon wrote: post #141
vngzs wrote: post #110

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Stop allowing email providers to control the domain of your email. Buy a $10/year domain and point it at GitHub pages (so it gains some trustworthiness). Send your email to that domain, and point the MX records at a mail provider (Fastmail or GMail or ProtonMail, doesn't matter).

I own several domains, and I have two valid email addresses at two personal domains hosted with a small US hosting provider, but I don't want those to end up in spammer lists so I use them sparingly. For a main email address I'm better off with a large email-focused provider that has tools to handle all the spam that builds up from an address used for online purchases and forum/social accounts, and as I mentioned Fas…

I've done quite a bit of searching for a good mail provider and mailbox.org is what I would recommend.

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Post by azinman2 »

noduerme wrote: post #113

I'm most curious about what they mean by "ADDING" data... Does this mean the police can create a social media account in your name? Imagine for instance that they suspect one of your family members of tax evasion. Can they create a fake social media account or email account registered to you, and impersonate you for the sake of entrapping someone else? Like hey uncle, love your new car, got any hot accounting tips? I…

The law generally allows the state to abuse its people in all kinds of ways. That’s the social contact: that abuse is seldom, and when it occurs the abuser gets punished. If it occurs enough then usually something big socially occurs, like a revolution.

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Post by [deleted] »

Aachen wrote: post #247
t-writescode wrote: post #208

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I use Mailbox.org. My only regret is not buying my own domain name for it ahead of time in case Germany started doing things I wasn’t cool with. I’ve been sufficiently satisfied with their service. Sometimes emails take a bit of time to receive, like 10 or so minutes. That’s about it.

10 minutes? The 30-60 seconds Runbox (Norwegian) takes to deliver 2FA or other types of confirmation emails already bug me. Not enough time to do something else, plenty of time to overthink my choice in email provider. Privately (Runbox is my employer's provider) I run my own server and desktop notifications of new mail are often faster than the page loads where it was triggered. Maybe I'm spoiled.

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Post by akvadrako »

t-writescode wrote: post #208
hughrr wrote: post #57

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Well fuck I just moved to Fastmail. Who else is out there? And no I’m not self hosting.

I use Mailbox.org. My only regret is not buying my own domain name for it ahead of time in case Germany started doing things I wasn’t cool with. I’ve been sufficiently satisfied with their service. Sometimes emails take a bit of time to receive, like 10 or so minutes. That’s about it.

It takes 10 minutes because they use greylisting. You can also turn it off if you don't mind getting a bit more spam.

https://kb.mailbox.org/display/MBOKBEN/Customizing+your+mail...

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Post by aplummer »

WalterBright wrote: post #278
aplummer wrote: post #252

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> I live in the US without the fear of death in a mass shooting because I understand statistics. Obviously you are making the assumption I do not understand statistics, which I do. There are multiple preventable causes of death that can simultaneously be tragedies, and whataboutism does not negate from the extremely high death toll and comparative probability from gun violence in the United States. The comparison to…

I fear the sweeping new police and surveillance powers handed to the government to protect us from a statistically nonexistent threat.

The nearly 40 thousand victims (4 per 100k) of gun violence and suicide-by-firearm each year in the USA may be meaningless to you, but they are not statistically non-existent any more than their lives were statistically non-existent.
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