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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by darknavi »

aphexddb wrote: post #297

Like many others this feels bad to me. I was previously forced to upgrade to 7 so the Chrome extension worked and as a result purchased (again!) separate Windows and Mac desktop licenses. In trying to navigate the site to find out how to buy a desktop only client I encountered the multiple dark patterns to make this nearly impossible. It is no wonder that “97% of people prefer the subscription” since standalone was b…

Please, if you haven't already, fill out this 1Password survey. They are considering self-hosted vaults but want more data on who/how it would be used:

https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

Hopefully they will get the picture.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by shadowtree »

tectonic wrote: post #5

Well darn, I guess I have to find a new password manager. 1Pass + Dropbox sync was so good.

I have been using pwSafe across iOS, macos and Windows for years now, the file db was stored in Dropbox, now I moved it to iCloud.

https://pwsafe.info/ for Mac and iOS https://pwsafe.org/ for Windows

The underlying file format is opensource and developed by Bruce Schneier.

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Post by antiframe »

rootusrootus wrote: post #294
prepend wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mirkules wrote: post #295
trimbo wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was 18, I wrote some shareware and asked for $10 from those who used and liked the program. Lots of nice people from all over the planet sent in some money, and sometimes with letters. Most often it was a thank you note. Sometimes people requested more features in return for paying the requested amount. And occasionally they'd tack on whatever extra they thought those features were worth to them. (That amount…

Subscription models make sense for something that needs to stay evergreen. Why does a password manager need a subscription? My password should never touch a 3rd party’s server, I don’t need extra features, I don’t need a login, I don’t need long-term or even short-term support. What ongoing development does a password manager have? Is it that buggy from the get-go to need constant updates?

>Why does a password manager need a subscription?

It does not, that is why there is KeePassXC and other alternatives.

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Post by brianpan »

mirkules wrote: post #295
trimbo wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was 18, I wrote some shareware and asked for $10 from those who used and liked the program. Lots of nice people from all over the planet sent in some money, and sometimes with letters. Most often it was a thank you note. Sometimes people requested more features in return for paying the requested amount. And occasionally they'd tack on whatever extra they thought those features were worth to them. (That amount…

Subscription models make sense for something that needs to stay evergreen. Why does a password manager need a subscription? My password should never touch a 3rd party’s server, I don’t need extra features, I don’t need a login, I don’t need long-term or even short-term support. What ongoing development does a password manager have? Is it that buggy from the get-go to need constant updates?

> What ongoing development does a password manager have?

I shutter to think about just trying to keep the status quo across all those platforms, devices, browser extensions. How often do we have new versions of iOS or macOS? What about Windows, Android, Linux, Chrome OS?

I can think of a TON of work without adding a single feature.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by scrollaway »

bgentry wrote: post #280
jl_agilebits wrote: post #261

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Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster developm…

>Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. This is the source of your mistake. Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. Cross-platform UIs are inarguably a worse user experience than UIs tailored to the conventions and designs of each OS. A Mac app that d…

> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments

Um, speak for yourself. I personally don't like having the docs showcase completely different UIs to the one I'm using. I also like having an app i can run on Linux, which has been happening a lot more since Electron became a thing (no sane company wants to write apps in GTK, and much as Qt is a great toolkit it requires expertise most SaaS vendors don't have).

You're speaking as if it's fait accompli that 1password made a mistake picking electron. It is not, and I am fairly certain they did not.

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Post by samgranieri »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #114
samgranieri wrote: post #61

Damn. This is a huge mistake. I've used 1password for over a decade. I will happily buy an upgrade license. I just don't want another subscription to my credit card. This is rent seeking! Maybe I'll try bitwarden.

>People are said to seek rents when they try to obtain benefits for themselves through the political arena. They typically do so by getting a subsidy for a good they produce or for being in a particular class of people, by getting a tariff on a good they produce, or by getting a special regulation that hampers their competitors. You may not like the subscription business model, but it isn't rent seeking. Monthly paym…

I was wrong to use the phrase rent-seeking. My mistake

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

thatswrong0 wrote: post #156
avidiax wrote: post #126

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Subscription based licensing is mostly rent-seeking. The cloud storage, compute, and egress for a password manager is fractions of a penny per year per user. Yes, engineering and upkeep and new features costs money. If those features are truly valuable, then the market would bear paying an additional one-time fee, just as photoshop 8 had to be better than photoshop 7 in some way to justify the purchase.* But what new…

Subscriptions are not rent seeking.

> Subscriptions are not rent seeking.

Subscriptions for expensive products that relies heavily on deals, licensing and huge cloud infrastructure like Netflix, Spotify, etc? Yeah, it's not rent-seeking.

Now, for an app that store your passwords, maybe some attachments and, since forever, allowed local vaults. Nowadays being intentionally crippled unless you adhere to this, comparatively, expensive annual subscription?

Yeah, that's totally textbook definition of rent-seeking behavior.

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Post by ValentineC »

iamdamian wrote: post #242
runlevel1 wrote: post #164

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The gaslighting also makes me very uncomfortable: > The overwhelming majority of people (97% in fact) choose to subscribe to our new service and many of those who initially purchased a license later changed their mind and traded it in for a membership. With each of the last two versions, they hid the standalone version more. I'd hardly characterize all 97% of those users as voluntary. Their PR doublespeak isn't helpi…

Adding to this, they've also left showstopping sync bugs in the standalone version, and the customer support team uses this as a reason to push people to switch to the subscription service. They were also giving away subscriptions for free for quite a while to get people to move. So yes, I'm with you in questioning the number.

> Adding to this, they've also left showstopping sync bugs in the standalone version, and the customer support team uses this as a reason to push people to switch to the subscription service.

Woah, really? Would you mind linking some threads for the benefit of everyone else skimming through this?

(I'm still on 1Password 6, and the experience is mostly smooth-sailing except for browser extensions.)

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