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Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by abrawill »

j_walter wrote: post #44
abrawill wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't have to be a victim to do something about it. When any of us remain silent when we witness or hear about abuse we are allowing other people to be victimized now and in the future.

I couldn't agree more...but many people chose to remain completely silent when abuse happens. The culture surrounding this has changed a lot in the last 20 years yet we keep having these types of events that people pile on only after one person comes forward. Then all of a sudden it's a pattern of abuse and a way bigger issue to fix.

And this is where all of us need to actively cultivate a company culture where we maximize everyone's ability to feel safe especially when things go seriously wrong.

Apparently, this does not happen at enough places.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by tsumnia »

andrewzah wrote: post #272
tsumnia wrote: post #252

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I think the poster's "talk down to" was more referring to the general "shit talking" people do in games. Even if you have a generic username and never speak, people will talk crap, be a jerk, or whatever. Even games that provide built in messages can get converted into trash talk (Rocket League, Overwatch, etc.). Having something "identifiable" just lets trash talkers switch from "you're terrible" to something else.

Well, sure, those things exist. What I'm getting at is that the % of it that happens purely because I'm -male- (or another natural property about me) is basically zero. Either they're just being belligerent in general or they perceive me to be underperforming (rightly or wrongly). Whereas when I play with women who e.g. use a mic, very frequently it's like a switch gets flipped and people start being weird, overtly s…

> a switch gets flipped and people start being weird, overtly sexual, or just flat out insanely critical of every little thing the female players do

I have no doubt that this occurs and I've even intervened in that type of behavior before; I think I hold more toward the "Greater Internet F---wad Theory" [1]. People will act like jerks and attack you for whatever traits you have. Adults trash talk 12 year olds; 12 year olds trash talk adults.

I'm not saying people should grow thicker skin, but rather that we haven't really figured out a way to NOT have trash talking. Maybe collaborative style games over competitive, but even then, those require interactions and communication, which leads us back to Penny-Arcade.

[1] https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by crooked-v »

username90 wrote: post #288
input_sh wrote: post #275

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Speculation? Her former boyfriend wrote a blog post detailing their relationship (and lying that she slept with a game journalist, something he later said had no evidence of), someone posted it on 4chan, they tried to spin it as "ethics in game journalism" discussion (which never made any sense since he never reviewed any of the games she worked on). That's all there is to it, and it's pretty well documented.

You speculated about the motive of the harassers, not the actual chain of events. Nothing you say here says that the harassers attacked her for being a woman instead of attacking her for cheating the game review system.

She didn't cheat the game review system.

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Post by ttyS1 »

kryogen1c wrote: post #286
ev1 wrote: post #121

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> I do find it interesting that the DFEH has lawsuits against both Riot Games and Blizzard for similar issues Yes, because Riot's C-level executive was literally dry humping interns and shoving their ass into faces and still has their job? Clearly "visibility" has not worked past creating PR articles. Does DFEH have the same problem with any other major game studio there that isn't embroiled in this type of behaviour…

> literally dry humping interns and shoving their ass into faces statements like this are why i have no interest in investigating allegations of sexism because neither of these things are sexist. is your starting point that we're supposed to assume this is only being done to women? assuming women are being treated differently is a poor premise for proving women are being treated differently. or are you implying that…

the way i read it, the starting point is that the culture is bad enough that this kind of sexual assault is considered perfectly protected and acceptable at the highest levels, which implicitly does not bode well for anything else.

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Post by mcguire »

cletus wrote: post #233

If you haven't read the state of California's claims here you should. It's the result of a two year investigation and the claims are.. shocking. I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. It's why Stanford grads probably like other Stanford grads.…

The filing: https://aboutblaw.com/YJw

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by crooked-v »

bitwize wrote: post #249
crooked-v wrote: post #218

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For anyone wondering, there was plenty of harassment, doxxing, and a number of rape and death threats against Zoe Quinn entirely because people hated her short game Depression Quest for being "political" or "not a game", well before the term 'Gamergate' or any of the 'ethics in journalism' conspiracy nonsense even came into the picture.

Sources for this, please?

The citations section of the Wikipedia article has literally hundreds from various reputable sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy#Referenc...

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by endemic »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #26
woxko wrote: post #4

Anybody knows if this is going to affect the release of the remastered Diablo?

Did we learn nothing from Warcraft 3 Remastered? Don't preorder, don't look forward to it. They have to prove it's good, we can't trust anymore. Plus, you know, I'm not buying it because Blizzard is straight up ghoulish.

Yeah, I’ll just play from the original discs.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #291
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #203

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People also got mad about Tifa's bust size apparently being reduced to a more realistic level in FF7R. It's nuts that we just kind of accept this as a culture.

We also accept a whole lot of impossibly jacked shirtless dudes but there's barely any public outcry against this. Even worse, video games are extraordinarily violent (I play lots of FPS games, so I'm not criticizing fans of violent games per se) and anyone concerned about the effects of violence on society is lambasted as a pearl-clutching conservative parent from the 1980s.

Both absolutely true. However, regarding overly jacked dudes, there is no history of women in gaming culture harassing developers for putting a beer gut on the male protagonist of a video game, nor any talk about "bulge physics" or whatever the equivalent of "jiggle physics" would be.

Re: Video game developers at Activision Blizzard say they'll walk out Wednesday

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Post by nineplay »

cletus wrote: post #233

If you haven't read the state of California's claims here you should. It's the result of a two year investigation and the claims are.. shocking. I want to make a point about "culture fit". "Culture fit" in a company typically comes down to "we like you" and the reason why people like other people is that they are like them. Similar age, background, whatever. It's why Stanford grads probably like other Stanford grads.…

> I want to make a point about "culture fit"

"culture fit" is one of the biggest causes of workplace discrimination and I still see it pushed in 'hiring training' as perfectly valid criteria.

Things I've seen teams consider "culture"

- will the candidate go to our weekly study session at the micro-brewery?

- will the candidate stay after work to play multi-player games with us?

- is the candidate entertained by all the Star Wars lingo we use?

If you don't find these discriminatory, think about how well a recent poster from Gaza would have done with them. Not well, I suspect

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25849054

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