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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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mdorazio wrote: post #178
handmodel wrote: post #3

The article doesn't mention it - and I can't find it anywhere - but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of units that are short-term rentals. Five percent? Ten percent in the super touristy areas? I have no idea and even before the other flaws in the study I am skeptical than anything short of 20% would make an impact on any major attribute of an area. I see one stat in the paper that "40% of buildings…

> I am skeptical than anything short of 20% would make an impact on any major attribute of an area. That's not how market pricing works for things like property since the supply is basically fixed. Changing the available supply by even 5% can easily cause the price to change massively. Let's say there are 100 homes in an area and normally 95 of them are lived in and 5 are up for sale. Anyone wanting to move to the ar…

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Post by addicted »

handmodel wrote: post #3

The article doesn't mention it - and I can't find it anywhere - but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of units that are short-term rentals. Five percent? Ten percent in the super touristy areas? I have no idea and even before the other flaws in the study I am skeptical than anything short of 20% would make an impact on any major attribute of an area. I see one stat in the paper that "40% of buildings…

I’m curious. Why do you think anything less than 20% will not have an effect? Why isn’t that tipping point number, 0.01% instead of 20%, for example?

For example, gentrification effects in a community can be felt at much much lower numbers than that. In fact, it can take only a few handfuls of rich people moving into an area for it to start gentrifying because it completely changes the expectations landlords have. Suddenly landlords will greatly increase income requirements and rents and this leads to a feedback loop that makes people with an income above a certain level who wouldn’t even consider living in that area, to now make it an option.

The tipping point in gentrification, for example, isn’t caused by an increase in demand, but instead, an increase in expectations both on the supply and demand sides, which then leads to an increase in demands.

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Post by industriousthou »

elzbardico wrote: post #296
908B64B197 wrote: post #259

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> Allowing landlords to buy up housing supply to rent by the day drives up prices for the 90% who need a house to live in them not profit from them Notice how the conversation is always about a limited supply; never about how the cities could remove barriers for larger, denser constructions. Wonder why that is.

Maybe because not everyone is interested in living like an animal in crowded apartments?

A lot of people like living in dense urban places. I wouldn't say they like living like animals.

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Post by tim333 »

handmodel wrote: post #3

The article doesn't mention it - and I can't find it anywhere - but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of units that are short-term rentals. Five percent? Ten percent in the super touristy areas? I have no idea and even before the other flaws in the study I am skeptical than anything short of 20% would make an impact on any major attribute of an area. I see one stat in the paper that "40% of buildings…

In my block near Oxford Circus something more like 80% though quite a lot are 3-6 month rentals rather than airbnb.

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Post by whoaisme »

alpha42 wrote: post #196
whoaisme wrote: post #193

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Which is crazy. Wealthy people can afford to view housing as an asset because they are wealthy. Poor people can't afford property because they are poor. That's like saying feudal lords were wise for viewing grain as an asset and not an expense. Wild.

Clearly you need to play more civilization builder games. Grain is the most important asset, without it you can neither feed your people nor sell the excess to your starving neighbors for sweet gold coins.

Honestly I wish people would shut the fuck up if the only thing they can add is a beaten to death reference to a video game. It's not funny or clever and I have no desire to humor your sad need for social validation from anonymous people.

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Post by tremon »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #291
forrestthewoods wrote: post #188

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> AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem I agree. It shouldn’t be illegal.

By that reasoning, sex workers should be able to operate from any home too. Or carpenters. Or mechanics. Or pubs. Or concerts... There is a reason zoning exists.

What reasoning? The GP's post is completely devoid of any reasoning, for as far as I can see.

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Post by eganist »

jen20 wrote: post #114
eganist wrote: post #109

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In fairness, the stress shouldn't be yours to sweat. If someone loses their rental to anti short-term leasing rules, that's really on the renter who's subletting it out to you via Airbnb.

Depends whether it happens literally during the middle of your stay, as I have experienced.

A landlord evicted you mid-stay without warning? That sounds extreme, and I'm having a hard time finding others who've experienced the same online (all of what I'm finding is around people being kicked out for parties). Do you have anything I can reference?

Asking because I'd feel like the burden in just about all cases is on the landlord to put everything in motion to evict a tenant (whether it be an airbnb user or the tenant subletting via airbnb), but I'm not an attorney.

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Post by leetcrew »

voisin wrote: post #133
jwilber wrote: post #40

As this topic becomes more and more mainstream, I look forward to the numerous Twitter posts sure to come from Airbnb employees about the taxing social implications that come with working at Airbnb, how it weighs on their conscious, and and their ultimate decision to follow what’s right and leave. But only after their RSU’s have vested, of course. More seriously, I’ve been very disappointed with Airbnb recently. I sp…

I think AirBNB itself is at fault for the price inflation. They advise their hosts as to market prices using some sort of calculator (source: friend who runs an AirBNB) and the output seems to be absurd, but when everyone in a market follows it, it becomes the market. AirBNB is relying on the idea that it is big enough that the other guys (VRBO, etc) will follow suit since everyone wins. I have been shocked recently…

YMMV on that one, especially if you travel with others. I rented a nice apartment just outside the center of raleigh for about $115/night including fees. it had a full kitchen, living room with futon, and two bedrooms. I really doubt we could have booked comparable accommodations for three people at anything like that price in a hotel.

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Post by tremon »

cletus wrote: post #202
cool_dude85 wrote: post #149

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>1. It's owned by governments at some level. I think we can all agree this would largely be a disaster at any sort of scale; Not me! I've heard great things about living in Vienna where about 25% of housing is government owned.

Have you heard of Grenfell Tower?

Have you heard of Champlain Towers South?
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