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Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by DaniloDias »

fleddr wrote: post #216
DaniloDias wrote: post #163

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I currently look at Twitter as a destination for socially approved statements. Twitter is a place where you are either celebrated for having approved perspectives or risk professional destruction. New users can only be craven popularity chasers. Old users either conform or quit. Why would anyone play in that sandbox if you have any respect for diverse opinions?

Yet the difference between socially approved on Twitter and in the real world is massive. I imagine that quite a few Twitter-socially approved statements would raise a lot of eyebrows in the real world. for being plain weird, nonsensical, or the listener simply not able to understand it at all. I imagine a subset of things said on Twitter and/or tactics used will make you wake up in the hospital when applied to the r…

The weird culture around social justice and systemic racism gets treated with the same respect as Jehova’s witnesses, Mormons and Scientologists where I live. What’s commonly accepted as progressive online seems to be widely perceived as rehabilitating race-based discrimination here.

Is that consistent with your experience?

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by kyle-rb »

skinkestek wrote: post #267
kyle-rb wrote: post #249

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What's the difference between this and simply making multiple accounts?

Convenience. And the promise. Edit: since this is transparent Twitter we could even get an high level explanation on how to make sure such pseudonymous accounts technically cannot be linked back unless three persons in three jurisdictions - of which at least one is a customer ombudsperson - agree that there is a valid request from a law enforcement agency and then electronically sign it. Seems a tall order when you c…

Twitter doesn't require you to add a phone number, you can sign up with just an email address.

In some cases, if your account gets flagged, they'll ask you to add a phone number to unsuspend it (which makes it a little harder to dodge bans), but I think that's a rare case.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by fleddr »

DaniloDias wrote: post #301
fleddr wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the difference between socially approved on Twitter and in the real world is massive. I imagine that quite a few Twitter-socially approved statements would raise a lot of eyebrows in the real world. for being plain weird, nonsensical, or the listener simply not able to understand it at all. I imagine a subset of things said on Twitter and/or tactics used will make you wake up in the hospital when applied to the r…

The weird culture around social justice and systemic racism gets treated with the same respect as Jehova’s witnesses, Mormons and Scientologists where I live. What’s commonly accepted as progressive online seems to be widely perceived as rehabilitating race-based discrimination here. Is that consistent with your experience?

Yes, but I should add that I'm from the Netherlands.

Let's for the sake of simplicity use the word "woke" for the type of politics we're talking about.

We have it too, but it's far smaller. Most of our media is more left than the actual population it broadcasts to. However, our left is more traditional left, not woke left. So it's marginal.

Politically, we're a very different country. We have tons of parties, and therefore are a coalition country. Extremism has no place in such society as it can't produce a working coalition. Hence, dutch society moves between a narrow band from centre-right / center / center-left.

In practice, usually centre-right as the disconnect between left wing ideas and what the population actually wants is stunningly large.

The absolute dumbest thing left wing movements have ever done, and this is an international thing, is to abandon white workers. In white-dominant countries.

Anyway, the dutch are extremely sober, based, down to earth. We immediately reject anything that makes no sense.

So to finally answer your question (sorry): wokism has no place in general society here. You can't speak it at a birthday party, it will be the last one you're invited to.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by skinkestek »

kyle-rb wrote: post #302
skinkestek wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Convenience. And the promise. Edit: since this is transparent Twitter we could even get an high level explanation on how to make sure such pseudonymous accounts technically cannot be linked back unless three persons in three jurisdictions - of which at least one is a customer ombudsperson - agree that there is a valid request from a law enforcement agency and then electronically sign it. Seems a tall order when you c…

Twitter doesn't require you to add a phone number, you can sign up with just an email address. In some cases, if your account gets flagged, they'll ask you to add a phone number to unsuspend it (which makes it a little harder to dodge bans), but I think that's a rare case.

I cannot create one from Norway without a telephone number.

I could try with a VPN but I guess that would just make it harder.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by skinnymuch »

px43 wrote: post #295
skinnymuch wrote: post #287

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I do agree your example appears wild. Any sort of repercussions no less losing your job is crazy for that. However, that isn’t life ruining if he’s fine after the firing. The OP and others before were talking about life ruining. I’d consider something like this life ruining: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/03/29/adam-smith-c... A mean spirited yet relatively insignificant video berating a low level employee…

Chik-Filla or whatever is a shit company, but a well paid CFO filming themselves being a shithead to some minimum wage employee is pretty god damn horrific. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg-jzlWcc0E Dude outed himself as a massive shitbag, so I'm going to lean on the side of "he deserved it". What has he done to redeem himself since then? The name makes it pretty hard to search for updates.

Don’t know. The point of bringing that up is that his life got ruined or close to it. Not the examples being brought up where “cancelling” was a minor life event.

Re: Goodbye, Fleets

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Post by DaniloDias »

fleddr wrote: post #303
DaniloDias wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The weird culture around social justice and systemic racism gets treated with the same respect as Jehova’s witnesses, Mormons and Scientologists where I live. What’s commonly accepted as progressive online seems to be widely perceived as rehabilitating race-based discrimination here. Is that consistent with your experience?

Yes, but I should add that I'm from the Netherlands. Let's for the sake of simplicity use the word "woke" for the type of politics we're talking about. We have it too, but it's far smaller. Most of our media is more left than the actual population it broadcasts to. However, our left is more traditional left, not woke left. So it's marginal. Politically, we're a very different country. We have tons of parties, and the…

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Lot of weirdness on the Internet the last few years.
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