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Re: Firefox 90

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The tab bar is functionally useless if you have > 10 tabs open, so I don't even know why I'd notice. Aesthetically, it's fine for me. Option to hide it completely (replacing with a mobile-style full-screen modal view with properly sized previews and keyboard navigation / fuzzy finding if you allow me to dream) would be nice.

You can use ctrl-tab to switch between tabs and it shows a thumbnail of each page.

Does not show thumbnails to me.

I'm aware of ctrl-[shift]-tab. It is too slow if you have more than a few.

Re: Firefox 90

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I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

> Imaging if Google invented hypertext and not CERN

CERN did not invent hypertext, just made a popular version on top of TCP.

Hypertext already existed at Xerox PARC and had multiple implementations since then across UNIX and 16 bit home computers.

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They can't out engineer Google on dev tooling, or the dev ecosystem. They just don't have the resources. Chrome dev tools is vast and very rapidly evolving. Google has large evangelists teams dedicated to explaining dev tools or web tech in general. They are everywhere, on Twitter, Youtube, blogs, conferences, in web standards proposals. It's Google all the way down. If I'm not mistaken, Mozilla doesn't even have any…

Yet I still use Mozilla MDN far more than all of those google resources put together. They're not dead yet.

Are you aware that the technical writers parts of the MDN team were all fired as part of Mozilla's most recent restructuring?

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IE pushed the web forward initially. It was only after it won that it stagnated. As a developer, this is my biggest fear for Chromium.

I honestly don't fear that. Times are different. Google wants the web to succeed, whereas Microsoft saw it as a threat. In addition, in the case of stagnation it would be relatively easy for a Chromium clone to fill the gap.

Google wants Web == ChromeOS, it is their Windows, naturally they want it to succeed.

Android and Fuchsia are also ways to achieve it.

Chromium lacks lots of relevant features that most users actually want from Chrome.

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Chromium isn't out of choice it's out of necessity. Unfortunately the newest generation of engineers just see no point in even testing anything but Chrome on a MacBook. This drives me up the wall as someone who's first job required writing CSS that could work in IE6, IE7, Safari, FireFox and Opera and even sometimes IE5.5. To hear devs paid way more than I was back then tell me "can't we just tell them to install Chr…

I'm old school like you are, and morally agree with you. Yet I did change my mind over time regarding this issue. for the sake of argument, assume we do use web standards. It makes absolutely no sense for when using such standards, that results differ per browser. In our time, resolving all those differences cost a huge amount of time. Now browsers behave better, but there still may be issues. We've long seen this as…

> It makes absolutely no sense for when using such standards, that results differ per browser. In our time, resolving all those differences cost a huge amount of time. Now browsers behave better, but there still may be issues.

Regardless of the technology, UNIX, C, TCP/IP, Web,.... either you get standards and differences across vendors, or monoculture.

And we all know what monoculture brings into the party.

I could use a similar argumentation to defend we should all be writing Windows applications, or Red-Hat Enterprise Linux and be done with it.

Re: Firefox 90

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I think Firefox news is what I comment most on here. I don't know why. Well I guess I do. Web browsers, javascript etc is front and center here - which somewhat means the digital world. All my friends use Chrome, and think I'm weird. I think _they_ are. They care about human rights, at least I think they do. But, having Google, an ad company, dictate how our window to the digital world looks like, is now _way worse_…

> If a class of people on a forum such as this with so many brilliant minds cannot even be bothered with the values of open source and how this pertains to democracy and human values I really don't see how any other part of our species could. Not sure how that is relevant to Firefox vs Chromium debate. Both Firefox and Chromium are open source.

Mozilla vs Google/Alphabet (values shared by...).

Re: Firefox 90

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I remember seeing a lot of complaining about the tabs in the last release thread but they dont seem to bother me at all. What is the issue with the new tabs?

The missing partition between tabs irritates me greatly. Especially as the label of the tab fades out to the right, there is no indication for the exact x-space taken up by a tab. The only fixed thing is the favicon. Furthermore, the fading out of the text is greatly irritating me. My vision is the best and I constantly try to focus on those parts but they are not out of focus, but faded out. Just a vertical separato…

The missing partition made it nearly unusable for me as well. Thankfully, I eventually found a solution at https://www.userchrome.org/firefox-89-styling-proton-ui.html; since then I’ve had no problems.

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I think if I learned Greenpeace was single-handedly funded by Exxon, my reaction wouldn't be to say 'that doesnt mean anything'

I think this a logic fallacy. It’s a false/ incomplete comparison. Mozilla is not an advertising company. They have no incentive to track users or invade privacy. Their whole ethos as a company is pro-privacy obviously. Yes, they take take money from Google to make them the default search engine on a fresh Firefox install. They are a big company with lots of employees (less as of recently) that need to be paid, and t…

Pragmatically speaking, you're right. Something needs to keep the lights on. Further, even if they did not set Google as the default search engine, surely many users would configure Firefox as such.

The browser isn't compromised, but their principles are. When you compromise your principles or apply them very selectively, you lose credibility and authenticity.

A fitting example of this is their Facebook container. They have poured a lot of resources into minimizing the potential harm Facebook can do to its users. They totally can, as they have no dependency on Facebook at all. Yet no similar effort is made to isolate Google services.

Again, we know why. Most users are unlikely to care, but it demonstrates that principles are for sale. If we were to focus on privacy only, both Brave and Apple take a far more principled approach in protecting privacy consistently. So where does this leave Mozilla on this matter?

Brave is basically the result of the firing of Brendan Eich, for his private donation to a cause rejecting gay marriage. You can think of that what you want, but there is zero evidence of him ever projecting this private belief in the workplace in any way harmful to anybody at all.

But I get it, it looks bad for a progressive organization like Mozilla. A PR disaster.

Their progressive image indeed largely seems PR. For example, they've had a series of large layoff rounds, whilst at the same time drastically increasing executive compensation. You have to wonder where this compensation is based on, as leadership is running Mozilla into the ground. Market share keeps bleeding and there's zero alternative successful revenue streams.

That's classic neoliberalism. Firing workers whilst enriching yourself. At the same time, they are involved in "equity" projects to address the issue of some people unable to afford internet access.

This is all very confusing. Principles are sold out, contradicted, and only seem to apply to others. That's why to me, Mozilla's "values" have little value.

A Firefox user does not need to care about any of this, but here comes the problem: Mozilla is downscaling on Firefox engineering whilst increasing their more activist/political projects.

How is that strategy not a disaster? They're great at engineering yet terrible at activism.

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Chromium isn't out of choice it's out of necessity. Unfortunately the newest generation of engineers just see no point in even testing anything but Chrome on a MacBook. This drives me up the wall as someone who's first job required writing CSS that could work in IE6, IE7, Safari, FireFox and Opera and even sometimes IE5.5. To hear devs paid way more than I was back then tell me "can't we just tell them to install Chr…

Firefoxes share peaked at around 30% in 2010. It's now closer to 3%. The big 3 are now Chrome, Edge, and Safari. Firefox is no longer a major browser, and hasn't been for some time.

Edge is NOT a big browser.

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> They do them because they're easy If you want to see a counterpoint to this, watch Goebbels' Total War speech. You can absolutely mobilize a great mass of people by promising them pain and hardship. Similar idea with JFK's moonshot speech.

The Nazis didn't promise pain, they promised a better world and told people they'd have to be prepared to go through pain and suffering to reach that goal. They also claimed the war was forced on them, that they had no choice. The speech was basically asking the people if they were going to bend the knee or stand up and fight to the last man. It was the Nazi version of the Braveheart speech, whatever we may think of…

Well, not exactly. The ideological trick is to package pain and hardship and to sell it as something wonderful. It's not really even about promising good things in the future. That only works for part of the population (essentially the marshmallow experiment). What Goebbels did is much more immediate. If you identify with Goebbels, then the hardship itself registers as something that's good, and not merely as a promise of a delayed reward.
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