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25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by XIVMagnus »

Bud wrote: post #220

The real story here is how great the internet service can be now in a civilized country if you don't let Comcast have monopolies and ban local internet cooperatives and coast along selling the same service for 15 years while raising prices. 25Gbps symmetric for about $70/month. That's significantly less than I pay Comcast for its crappy 900Mbps down/40Mbps up service.

I left comcast for at&t fiber, paying $60/month for 1year. If I learned anything since then is to make sure you attempt to leave and they will start calling you with better offers..all of a sudden lol

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by h0nd »

Bud wrote: post #220

The real story here is how great the internet service can be now in a civilized country if you don't let Comcast have monopolies and ban local internet cooperatives and coast along selling the same service for 15 years while raising prices. 25Gbps symmetric for about $70/month. That's significantly less than I pay Comcast for its crappy 900Mbps down/40Mbps up service.

If you do not live in an area covered by them (which is the majority), it is the same as you say. Situation is not perfect here, either.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by mjevans »

crispyambulance wrote: post #44
adamcharnock wrote: post #17

What is the practical consumer (or even SME) use of a 10 or 25G connection? As a consumer I’d definitely get it for the fun of it, but what is the point in reality? We’ve just launched an ISP a couple of weeks ago here in Europe. Peak bandwidth use is about 3mbps per customer, and customers will download the same amount of data regardless of their plan. I acknowledge this could be lack of imagination on my part, but…

I can't imagine ANY reason that a private household would actually need a 10G or 25G connection unless it's doubling as a workplace and they're hosting servers. Even that seems like a temporary stop-gap situation, get some rackspace in a datacenter already! Maybe they're not selling enough 25G to their business customers and they're trying to get private users onto 25G?

For download?

Working from home with large media assets of any sort.

For upload? Yes, I need ANYTHING faster than Comcast's BS so I can actually do any work OR even backups without killing my ability to do other things.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by Aeolun »

Bud wrote: post #220

The real story here is how great the internet service can be now in a civilized country if you don't let Comcast have monopolies and ban local internet cooperatives and coast along selling the same service for 15 years while raising prices. 25Gbps symmetric for about $70/month. That's significantly less than I pay Comcast for its crappy 900Mbps down/40Mbps up service.

I just cannot imagine any use case for 25Gbit down/up.

I have 2Gbit down/up but for a long while I didn’t bother fixing my cables that limited the speed to 100Mbit because I just couldn’t see the point.

The only thing that changed now is that my Steam downloads complete much faster than I expect.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by Aeolun »

Bud wrote: post #271
wormslayer666 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have always been regional variations in this; I've had the same 1.2GBps plan in a few states now and it only ever got close to that number in the one where Fios was an option. Comcast's only innovation in the last few years has been to add data caps to residential fiber service (my 300mb/s "1.2 GBps" is capped at 1.4TB/mo).

Let's please not further the idea that it's acceptable to quote only downstream speed when citing Internet speeds. Doing that just leads to 20 more years of Comcast killing the concept of modern Internet service for Americans. Cite both numbers.

I consider only symmetric speeds real internet.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by dwohnitmok »

goodpoint wrote: post #185
adrian_b wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"probably consuming like x100 the power" is greatly exaggerated. A typical PC might have an idle power consumption of less than 50 W, while a very small computer with ARM little cores might have an idle power of 2 ... 3 W, so at most the power consumption ratio would be 20. However even that is not realistic because a computer or appliance with less than 3 W power consumption will not be able to route 10 Gb/s or fast…

> For 25 Gb/s Ethernet links, a commercial router is unlikely to be much cheaper or to consume much less than a standard PC. EDIT: I linked to a switch by mistake. This router has 12 x 10G SFP+ and 2 x 25G SFP28 ports and costs $595 It appears to be routing between 13 to 39Gbps depending on the rule complexity. https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs#fndtn-specif...

> After my previous disappointment with the MikroTik CCR2004, I decided to try a custom PC build.

The article's author considered that exact router and rejected it.

He goes into greater detail here: https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2021-05-28-configured-an...

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Post by daniellarusso »

bluedino wrote: post #239
Bud wrote: post #220

The real story here is how great the internet service can be now in a civilized country if you don't let Comcast have monopolies and ban local internet cooperatives and coast along selling the same service for 15 years while raising prices. 25Gbps symmetric for about $70/month. That's significantly less than I pay Comcast for its crappy 900Mbps down/40Mbps up service.

We have a couple fiber companies in our town (USA), and we have been shopping for internet. Currently we have fiber from AT&T. One is over a mile down the road and they want $90,000 to connect and then $1750 a month for 1gbps. Another company is two blocks away, they will only charge $8,000 to connect and it’s $1,550 a month for the same speed. Problem is there aren’t many other companies in the area that want servic…

Is this DIA service or an ISP?

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by Aeolun »

jiggawatts wrote: post #297
iforgotpassword wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I can unfortunately confirm this. Don't know how much has changed, but about a year ago my current employer evaluated about 10 desktop pcs from dell, lenovo, hp and the likes as all staff was supposed to get new machines. One of the important criteria was power consumption. The few AMD systems that were among the contestants had absolutely ridiculous idle consumption and weren't even considered any further.

Using local retail electricity prices, the idle power draw of 20-40W for the AMD CPUs comes out to $20-$40 per annum. If THAT breaks the bank, run screaming from your workplace as fast as you possibly can. The bean counters can't count, and they're being penny wise and pound foolish in the worst possible way. AMD CPUs run circles around anything Intel makes. Total performance, performance per core, price/performance,…

Must be a company that has the employees turn on their PC and then sit around doing absolutely nothing?

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by Aeolun »

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

It costs about the same as a Netflix subscription? The people that do this see it as a hobby, so it’s worth spending some money on.

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Post by Aeolun »

ta988 wrote: post #141
teekert wrote: post #48

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My home server is about 70W, meaning about 150€ a year (~0.20 eur/kWH). So about 12€ a month. For one of my biggest hobbies. It’s fun, but it also runs WireGuard, 3 NextCloud installs, Home Assistant and Mosquitto, 2 MineCraft servers, a FoundryVTT instance, samba, sabnzbd, Unify Controller, an Nginx static site, LibreSpeed, VaultWarden and soon a Django site. Oh and a virtual desktop (vnc) I can always leave running…

Yes we should stop chastising people like that. You have long hair, you use more water, shampoo and drying. You drink coffee how many wh for that cup and its content. We could always find something in others where they consume more. My neighbors keep all their lights on almost all the time in every room. The other one has AC on all day to full power even when it is cooler outside... So complaining that someone uses a…

> My neighbors keep all their lights on almost all the time in every room

Almost all the lights in my house are leds, even if I did this the cost would be negligible.

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