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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by TingPing »

koyote wrote: post #162
hughrr wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure that’s a problem. I usually thoroughly wear them out before they go obsolete and quite frankly I don’t want to use a 7+ year old computer. They’re pretty awful.

Really? I still use my now over 8 year old Thinkpad (upgraded screen, hdd, ram and replaced the keyboard after an orange juice 'incident') and it feels as quick as my 2 year-old work laptop. Moore's law is long dead for consumer perception of speed, even other components have stagnated lately. RAM size and HDD space has not really moved much in the last 5 years for a regular laptop; CPUs have gotten a bit faster but…

Thats just ignoring a lot of the market. We've gone from dual cores to 16 thread laptops since then. 5400 rpm drives to many GB/s nvme ssds, etc.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by sedatk »

Goz3rr wrote: post #86
sedatk wrote: post #9

I think the article makes a good point about the arbitrary red line drawn between two CPU generations with no justification whatsoever, but "heaps of trash" isn't the strongest argument against this. Arguably, Intel releasing new CPUs causes that even more heaps of trash, probably orders of magnitude more than Windows. It's a silly argument IMHO.

>the arbitrary red line drawn between two CPU generations I've seen people theorize that it's because of the availability of UMIP instructions

I don't believe that's the case, but I might be missing something. UMIP makes a system more secure, but it isn't a hard requirement for any feature-wise assurance? For example, TPM+UEFI+Secure Boot is required if Microsoft wants everyone to have full disk encryption by default, which makes sense. UMIP, not so much.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by sedatk »

jmkni wrote: post #92
sedatk wrote: post #9

I think the article makes a good point about the arbitrary red line drawn between two CPU generations with no justification whatsoever, but "heaps of trash" isn't the strongest argument against this. Arguably, Intel releasing new CPUs causes that even more heaps of trash, probably orders of magnitude more than Windows. It's a silly argument IMHO.

Is it abritary? I was wondering if limiting to new to newer CPU's would enable them to stop supporting/rip out a load of legacy code? Also, is this actually a good opportuinty for Desktop Linux?

I'm sure it's not arbitrary, but they haven't provided an explanation either. That makes it practically arbitrary, and creates rightful frustration.

I think 64-bit requirement already lets them to strip down a lot of legacy stuff. Perhaps they just want to compile Windows with certain optimizations on, but I don't know that either.

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Post by TheCapeGreek »

marcodiego wrote: post #299
zorrolovsky wrote: post #270

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Are you serious? My debian and ubuntu computers can play 4k streaming without problems! (youtube, twitch, etc). I don't see a reason why linux can't play 4K. Could you please elaborate?

You can't with netflix content because of DRM.

huh?

I've been using Netflix without a care in the world on Firefox for ages. DRM allowance is up to the user.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by jestar_jokin »

I think this article misunderstands the list of supported processors. The Microsoft page is for hardware developers, e.g. laptop and desktop manufacturers. They shouldn't be using CPUs that aren't currently manufactured/supported anyway. I don't think it restricts anyone running Windows on their existing older hardware.

I'm still on an i7 4790K, and it's not listed as a supported CPU in the lists for Windows 10.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by marcodiego »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #304
marcodiego wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't with netflix content because of DRM.

huh? I've been using Netflix without a care in the world on Firefox for ages. DRM allowance is up to the user.

Take a look: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13444

4K Ultra HD on a computer

Netflix is available in Ultra HD on Windows and Mac computers with:

    Microsoft Edge for Windows

    Windows 10 App

    Safari for MacOS 11.0 or later
These computers require a 60Hz monitor to play Ultra HD content.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by Hamuko »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #273
Todd wrote: post #57

Microsoft is late to the party here. This has been core to Apple's business model for years. Here's an example of OS support for the MacBook Air: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Air#Supported_macOS_re... The arbitrary cadence of abandonment is amazingly consistent and has no basis in hardware capabilities.

You forgot that every MacOS release gets 2-3 years of security updates after the next version comes out. So just because you can't update to the next release doesn't mean you are unsupported yet.

How is that any different from Windows?

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Post by hughrr »

koyote wrote: post #162
hughrr wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure that’s a problem. I usually thoroughly wear them out before they go obsolete and quite frankly I don’t want to use a 7+ year old computer. They’re pretty awful.

Really? I still use my now over 8 year old Thinkpad (upgraded screen, hdd, ram and replaced the keyboard after an orange juice 'incident') and it feels as quick as my 2 year-old work laptop. Moore's law is long dead for consumer perception of speed, even other components have stagnated lately. RAM size and HDD space has not really moved much in the last 5 years for a regular laptop; CPUs have gotten a bit faster but…

I’ve got a T440 here but I don’t use it because it’s slow. It’s for an SSD and 12Gb of RAM in it. The removable battery will no longer work due to a problem on the motherboard. The plastics are having worn.

I don’t want to use it any more so I don’t.

I’ve got a T495 Ryzen but I mostly use a M1 MacBook Air. If you think that there is stagnation in the last 5 years then you need to reevaluate that. These things are stupid fast.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Post by Gunax »

poisonborz wrote: post #130

The requirements list will be most likely eased later on - IIRC it was also the case for virtually all major versions of Windows. The reason of this strictness is usually lack of testing or some compatibility features not being completed by the date of first release.

My guess is that they don't want people to blame the OS for their slow machine... I seem to remember reading years ago that vista was a victim of this (no way I can find that reference now though).
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