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Re: Brave Search beta

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post #112

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They will definitely implement ads. They're an advertising company.

"options for ad-free paid search and ad-supported search" https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/

Nice, I would pay for it. Would make it a lot easier if the backend was #opensource though. Not saying I won't but it would make it a no-brainer.

Re: Brave Search beta

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post #214

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> Then your data is worthless to them This is precisely the point. It should be worse than worthless, it should cost them money. And they should charge that to me, plus some nominal fee. I guess that's what I'm asking for.

The issue is that you're not describing a sustainable business model. Sure, it would be a much better situation than we have now, but you can't cover hosting fees with data bills.

Uh oh, someone better tell Microsoft that charging businesses for Exchange isn’t a sustainable business model.

Re: Brave Search beta

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post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

> I mean, DDG worked fine for 95% of time, but the remaining 5% failure often led to some extreme frustration that I just couldn't stand. Is 95% really not acceptable?My experience is quite different though. When I don’t get the results I hoped I just use !g. Easy. But the result are rarely any better

After using the duck for a couple of years, I have become better at two things:

- Reading man pages or official documentation sites before opening a search engine

- Thinking of more precise search keywords, as I got used to duck not helping me as much as google

Re: Brave Search beta

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Apparently, they have their own search index, which they say covers ~95% of queries, and if the results aren't in the index, it will then get it from Google or Bing. I'd love some more details on how this works. They probably aren't scraping the whole web. Are they just mirroring Bing and Google indexes? They seem to have their own page ranking algorithm that they're hoping to get trained.

I still wouldn't use it since it falls back to Bing or Google.

I just tested an image search on Bing (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=test) and Brave Search (https://search.brave.com/images?q=test) and it definitely appears that Brave is falling back to Bing as the results are highly identical, especially compared to Google (https://www.google.com/search?q=test).

Re: Brave Search beta

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post #46

Previous related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26328758 If things go as planned, this may become a paid, ad-free, zero-tracking search engine. I can't express how exciting this is to me. Over the past few years, I have made several attempts to replace Google Search with DuckDuckGo. But they have all failed and I always ended up changing the default search engine back to Google. I mean, DDG worked f…

> I mean, DDG worked fine for 95% of time, but the remaining 5% failure often led to some extreme frustration that I just couldn't stand. Is 95% really not acceptable?My experience is quite different though. When I don’t get the results I hoped I just use !g. Easy. But the result are rarely any better

For me it's random technical dumb stuff, like library version compatibility. Or a specific syntax I know exist but I can't figure out.

Now when I don't find what I need, I double check with g! ... once every 2 or 3 times, google do find what I'm vaguely remember exist and is out there.

Is never actual content, it's when I look for a specific one liner to copy paste and DDG do not deliver.

I can live with that.

Re: Brave Search beta

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post #52

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Funny how their posts show such a different approach to their browser than Braves. E.g. forking Firefox not Chromium, implementing functionality as extension instead of in browser where possible...

> If all browsers end up using Blink (Google), the Web will suffer as developers will only optimize and test for the Blink rendering engine. Am I the only one that thinks that this would be a good thing? Like the entire industry sharing the same core open source technology? Write a website once and it works perfectly across all platforms?

> all platforms

Chrome doesn’t even support all platforms. It probably wouldn’t run on my car’s display for example. If the web followed an open standard that wouldn’t be a problem: the car manufacturer could make their own browser.

And not everyone wants to use chrome/blink because the development is in practice entirely run my google who do not have consumer interests in mind.

Re: Brave Search beta

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I'm concerned about what happens to data Brave collects when Brave decides to sell itself. At some point they could be attractive to acquire.

Brave doesn't collect user data. We believe in Can't be Evil over Don't be Evil .

To be clear, I only mentioned 'data' generically and not 'user data' specifically. Its clear that Brave Ads collects data, even if you don't consider that data to be user data.

Re: Brave Search beta

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I really cannot understand why people go through the effort of building manual light/dark mode toggles in websites these days. I already set it system-wide. Just default to what I already specified. I see it all over the place and it boggles my mind when the user's preference is just a media query away.
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