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Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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You’re not talking about how end users are protected against installing malicious applications, so at best this is irrelevant.

At least half a billion malicious app installs on iOS and none from F-Droid. It does seem like open source wins there too.

I would ERB surprised if F-Droid even had half a billion installs total.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Why would they? It is more work. It is 2 code paths to write, to test and plan for. There is a cost associated with this that will not likely be recovered in any reasonable price difference on the phone versions.

I would be surprised if Apple don’t already have something like this internally…

They do.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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I still dont get how people pretend Apple cares about privacy. By default Apple devices phone home and collect data on you, and this is not optional, and they will hand that data to law enforcement. They also have the ability to change their data handling policieson a whim since there is nobody holding them accountable. THIS IS NOT PRIVACY. Not that windows or android devices are better as they come out of the box, b…

You’re in an echo chamber. By default, iPhones do send diagnostic data, but that data can be disabled in Settings. They also upload your files in an encrypted connection (but without end to end encryption) into your iCloud backup, and that can be handed over with a subpoena, but you can disable iCloud backup or simply not pay for it.

> By default, iPhones do send diagnostic data

Doesn’t Apple ask you whether you want to enable this when you set up the device?

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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post #291

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You’re not talking about how end users are protected against installing malicious applications, so at best this is irrelevant.

At least half a billion malicious app installs on iOS and none from F-Droid. It does seem like open source wins there too.

> At least half a billion malicious app installs on iOS and none from F-Droid. It does seem like open source wins there too.

You must realize that this is a meaningless comparison, since F-droid is barely used and not a target comparable to iOS.

I’m quite sure you are aware of the relative sizes of the stores. If that is a mistaken assumption, please say.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Really? I find this hard to believe, because if this was true, why doesn’t Android have a bunch of unique apps that couldn’t exist on iPhone? Yes, Android does have some apps that can’t exist on iPhone, but I wouldn’t say that most people find them compelling or care about them. Those that do already have Android.

Most iOS users just don't know how much better it is on Android. As a developer, I can make apps for my own device without telling (or paying) anybody and use old devices like somebody else might use a Raspberry Pi. I can use real Firefox with real uBlock Origin. I can get free apps from Amazon App Store. I can get verified secure open source apps from F-Droid. I can use separate restricted accounts on my for kids an…

I used Android for a few years. Then I used iOS for a few years (iPhone and iPad). I switched back to Android two years ago.

I liked a lot of things about iOS. Apps for Android tablets are still largely terrible and there is some bizarre behavior around SPens and multi-touch that I don't understand. But I could never go back.

The biggest benefit is I have all my files automatically synced between my phone, tablet and laptop. I never have to manually push something to the right app, then figure out how to get that on my Windows laptop. It's just there. Whether it's emulator save files or ebooks or documents or photos or anything else.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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Like everything in technology, you have a choice. If you want openness at the expense of security and privacy, you can purchase an Android or Windows device. If you want security and privacy more than openness, you buy an iPhone. The Hacker News crowd is unique in that we want to have our cake and eat it too by making the iPhone work more like Android and expressing outrage that such a choice exists. So even though I…

Philosophically I agree with you, but I also have kids, and I’ve seen the wild west that is the Play Store. Admittedly, the same problems exist on the App Store, but not to the same why-even-try level of anything goes. The amount of kids apps, that are marketed as kids apps, certified as age appropriate, then contain ads for zombie gorefest horror was enough to make me give up trying with Android entirely. I have eve…

The issue isn't with one platform being more open or closed than the other; if you kids want, they can watch pretty much anything they want. They have YouTube and a browser, how are you going to stop them? I sympathize with your distaste for crude advertising, but every platform has it's fair share of people abusing it. Just a few months ago, developers were coming out en masse to denounce Apple's weak regulation in the app store, filtering obscenities but completely missing predatory pricing structures, ponzi schemes, stolen code and frequent double standards/unequal ruling.

The bottom line is that the internet is scary, and your kids are growing up faster than any generation before. The more you try to interfere with stuff like this, the more animosity they'll perceive in your relationship.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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I would be surprised if Apple don’t already have something like this internally…

They do.

I do not think that Apple is maintaining a full GA level release cycle testing and release planning for a version of IOS that can allow 3rd party apps. The key here is the RELEASE TO GA.

Of course they have internal builds that are signed and allow you to do whatever they want internally, but having a shipping GA with the normal protects and support for all the work and validations that would go into supporting 3rd party installations.

Your resume says you where an Intern at Apple, so I am sure you are correct in the fact that they have an unlocked internal build, however my points are valid about the difference between that and a GA PRODUCTION release.

Note, Apple has some pretty strict NDAs so...

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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> Apple sells $20-30 billion worth of iPads each year. > I think they might just survive without your business. The parent post makes some the argument that the restrictive nature of iOS makes it unappealing to certain users. You counter that with a discussion-ending argument about how much money Apple makes. Not everything that makes billions of dollars is immune to criticism. Especially since Apple markets the iPad…

We to be fair their argument is 100% valid. Apple is very successful in selling their HW as is without the feature certain users want. The reality is that adding that feature would have a great deal of cost behind it for very little growth on their already impressive numbers. Everyone here on HN likes to criticize Apple for not allowing 3rd party stores, but in general wants their HW. This community is self selecting…

>Apple is NOT a monopoly... you can buy another device

They're a monopoly on imessage which most people who own iphones think is just more advanced text messaging. You'll get left out of groups if you do this.

All we want is to be able to run our own binaries, I can't believe this is even controversial especially on a forum full of software developers.

Re: Temptation of the Apple: Dolphin on macOS M1

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At least half a billion malicious app installs on iOS and none from F-Droid. It does seem like open source wins there too.

> At least half a billion malicious app installs on iOS and none from F-Droid. It does seem like open source wins there too. You must realize that this is a meaningless comparison, since F-droid is barely used and not a target comparable to iOS. I’m quite sure you are aware of the relative sizes of the stores. If that is a mistaken assumption, please say.

I am well aware of the sizes of the stores. Are you aware that the relative amount of malware is is not merely proportionally less? Are you aware that F-Droid-style reproducible builds are not possible on iOS? People using an iOS device can never be sure they are installing the secure app they wanted to install or some switcheroo.

On the other hand, Google's and Amazon's app stores are not open source but built for an open source platform, together have far more users than the Apple App Store and far fewer malware installations. Discovery in the Epic case dug up some documents showing that Apple had no dynamic analysis for App Store apps at all. Google and Amazon both run Android VMs in their datacenters to catch fishy behavior that can't be found via static analysis.

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