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Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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Agreed and I will add that a huge reason Google is used by so many was very effective spam filtering. A huge reason why hosting your own email is hard? Getting filtered by Google because of the massive amount of spam they are blocking. Spam filtering is a a very difficult thing to do well and Google's implementation was very good, very advanced, and trained on huge amounts of data. Something a normal person could nev…

I'm not convinced Google really solved spam, they're just not afraid to turn the sensitivity on the filter way up even if that means a chunk of legitimate mail gets marked as spam. Most smaller admins seem concerned about correctness and so they don't do this. I think this really sums up Google's M.O. in general.

> Most smaller admins seem concerned about correctness and so they don't do this.

This, definitely. Take a look at gmail spam folder, it's always full of false positives.

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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> I don't agree that email isn't an example of a decentralized application. She argues that it's not because it's really hard to run your own mail server. I don't think this is a fair characterisation of the article. She argues that email is an example of something that is failing as a decentralised application: Google's power over email is too strong. This is very different from claiming that it isn't an example of…

Agreed and I will add that a huge reason Google is used by so many was very effective spam filtering. A huge reason why hosting your own email is hard? Getting filtered by Google because of the massive amount of spam they are blocking. Spam filtering is a a very difficult thing to do well and Google's implementation was very good, very advanced, and trained on huge amounts of data. Something a normal person could nev…

> Agreed and I will add that a huge reason Google is used by so many was very effective spam filtering.

I wish this meme could die. gmail spam filtering isn't particularly good, it never has been. They crank up the false positive rate high enough that the spam in your inbox is about comparable to other solutions, but at the expense of tons of false positives.

I've had a gmail account since the launch. Been there got the tshirt (literally.. have a tshirt of the launch when they were bragging about 1GB storage). I've also been managing email servers and mailing lists since the very early 90s to today.

Notice every site that interacts with email has the ubiquitous warning abot "check your spam folder"? Not solely, but largely a legacy of so many users on gmail getting used to so much legitimate email going to spam. it doesn't have to be that way.

You can easily to an order of magnitude better on fewer false positives while still getting less spam overall in your inbox, by running your own email servers.

I haven't had a false positive in ... certainly many years on my own email on my servers. And a bit less spam getting through than on the gmail account.

> Getting filtered by Google because of the massive amount of spam they are blocking.

gmail has a big false positive problem, yes, but it isn't any worse for you as a sender if you run your own email servers. I experience more false positives emailing from work account to work account (both sides hosted by gmail) than from personal account (hosted by me) to gmail.

> Spam filtering is a a very difficult thing to do well

Spam filtering is actually not hard anymore. I've been running email servers and mailing lists from before spam existed, through its rise and later fall. There was a time, ca.2000, when it was hard. Because nearly every legitimate email server was misconfigured, so one had to allow it all through, but most was spam. So it took a lot of client side filtering.

These days, very easy. Legitimate senders are well configured, so just reject all misconfigured clients at the SMTP connection. There, that's 95%+ of spam blocked. The few remaining items are easily filtered by whichever bayesian filter you like. I'm using spamprobe. Done. No spam. No false positives.

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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>gmail became a brand nearly immediately via initial scarcity of invitations yes, to us (the techies), but there are billions of people in the world who didn't know who or what gmail was for a at least 4-5 years. I specifically made the observation of geemail sounding like email because I had that experienced less than a decade ago giving the address to a dentist's secretary in Denmark. >Yet the only successful compa…

> yes, to us (the techies), but there are billions of people in the world who didn't know who or what gmail was for a at least 4-5 years. I specifically made the observation of geemail sounding like email because I had that experienced less than a decade ago giving the address to a dentist's secretary in Denmark. I would say you have to look at the alternative names - hotmail? yahoo.com? gmail sounds like a fantastic…

>Your target customers know who you are.

I guess if that is the requirement I would say adequate marketing is required to succeed.

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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I just counted emails in my spam folder, and it is between 6 and 10 per day. Email I actually subscribed to or from other legit sources is in the range of 12-20, almost exactly twice of spam. I am not counting days when I do a contradictory post on local tech resource and getting hundreds of reply notifications.

Interesting. I assume you have a single email address, so you can't tell the source? (I have a catch-all at my domain ⇒ I use a different email for each site, which is how I know which addresses generate spam). Is your address posted publicly in plain-text somewhere?

Yes, it is a Gmail address, from the beginning of Gmail itself. I beleive it was exposed countless times since. This thread made me think about changing that and get a new address on a personal domain.

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And those same companies have entire departments, with huge budgets, to promote their stuff, draw people into them, discourage people from using those other services, buy out influencers, etc It's not a fair fight and it will never be. I wouldn't say it's completely lost, but it's not far.

Signal was an impossible uphill battle on inception. Nothing in tech is impossible — it's far too new.

Signal hasn't "won" yet. Though it's good that it's close enough to be a viable alternative.

On the other hand, isn't Signal backed by literal billionaires?

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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... Does it? The author made it pretty clear throughout the article that (in their opinion; see the "Blockchain" section) the walled-gardening comes from having to trap in your users in order to make some money from your service. The conclusion that you need to change the (larger picture) motivations for the existence of these services in order not to fall into this behaviour seems logical to me. (And, of course, if…

> Does it? Yes, because... > in their opinion

> see the Blockchain section

They expand on why that is their opinion just fine.

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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I'd also be interested in hearing what UX gripes your audience has, and am surprised to hear you praise Slack, which has lately become the just-good-enough-to-not-be-bad slow and bloated default.

I wouldn't dare say Slack has buttery-smooth performance. The problem with Element is all the little "what the f#ck?" bugs that add up. An emblematic example is where the Android app sometimes glitches out and makes it seem a message you sent was sent by someone else. To be charitable I heard a fix is "on the way," but wow. The markdown editor can also be glitchy. When I use italics or the triple backticks for code i…

> An emblematic example is where the Android app sometimes glitches out and makes it seem a message you sent was sent by someone else. To be charitable I heard a fix is "on the way," but wow.

Hmm, interesting, do you have a link to the issue? This is the first time I hear about this bug.

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"But I'm..." A specific user from a niche geek website, a rounding error, an anecdote. I'm glad for those fighting against these walled garden overlords, but let's keep in mind we're talking about a side with thousands of people VS a side with billions of people. Numbers matter, and the fall of these giants is still far away. If anything, the battle is starting from recent anti-competition and privacy concerns in the…

This is really tricky because of course if I point to my non technical friends and family who use my Matrix instance, it's possible to say well that's just because they want to talk to the technical people on there, except that's the entire point of the comment you're replying to: the technical few act as the opinionated minority that can sway the majority once a switching cost is low enough. I think it's possible to…

Indeed, change might be ongoing, started already, and take 10+ or 20+ years

(Took Facebook 8 years to reach 1 billion monthly active users)

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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I really wish magic wormhole worked conveniently on windows without obliging me to install python and pip and such. It's my go-to when sftp isn't an option, but for sftp not to be an option almost always means that one of the computers I'm trying to transfer between is a windows box.

Magic Wormhole has a good implementation in Go. It has windows binary. https://github.com/psanford/wormhole-william Windows binary: https://github.com/psanford/wormhole-william/releases/downlo... There's GUI: https://github.com/Jacalz/wormhole-gui Android app too: https://github.com/psanford/wormhole-william-mobile The author is on HN as psanford

oh fantastic! thanks

Re: Why Decentralised Applications Don’t Work

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> Does it? Yes, because... > in their opinion

> see the Blockchain section They expand on why that is their opinion just fine.

Evidently you and I have very different standards for what counts as an explanation.
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