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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mceachen »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #278

I get to eat my hat somewhat. I hope it's tasty. Just a few days ago I made the comment that the Cybertruck's killer feature is it's $40K price tag, if and only if that price tag actually happens. I said that Ford could not make a decent EV F-150 at that price point unless they throw their dealerships under the bus. And here we are with a $40K EV F-150. I'm glad I added the caveats though -- the $40K F150 is for comm…

Ford also hasn't sold that many EVs (yet), so it's still eligible for the US $7500 federal tax rebate (unlike Tesla).

(BTW: It seems like such an arbitrary and ultimately bad decision to cap rebates by manufacturer. Rebate caps for expensive luxury cars? Sure. But penalize a manufacturer for making _too many_ of the thing you're incentivizing doesn't seem right).

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

ameister14 wrote: post #48
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

>Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I think more worrisome is the center console - pedestrian deaths had been going down for 20 years until smartphones became widespread and we've had increases every year since.

That's a tough pill to swallow for many HN participants because our industry directly contributes to this. Easier to just blame cars.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jaywalk »

chasebank wrote: post #141
seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

Someone needs to start a dash company for these auto manufacturers. They are all hideous and have terrible functionality. Why would I ever want to control my heated seats through a touchscreen? Or A/C? Or Radio presets. I want to buy a newer vehicle but they are all so bad.

You lost me at radio presets.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by acomjean »

rootusrootus wrote: post #260
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

>You know who buys F150s? everyone

except those strange ones that buy Chevy or GMC.

Or the real outlier, those with Ram Pickups....

(I didn't realize this was a thing till my civil engineering company last century bought a GMC to replace the fords).

To this day I remember a Huge Ram diesel dually with a big dog in the bed towing in a single roll of landfill liner (23 ft long and About 2000 lbs of plastic) and thinking.. wow.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jaywalk »

intrepidhero wrote: post #122
seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

Is anybody selling conversion kits to replace touch screen controls with physical or is that too hard/niche?

How could you possibly cram everything that's controlled via the touchscreen into physical controls?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by xxpor »

ben7799 wrote: post #245
bobince wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Blame for killing falls on the driver of the vehicle, not on the company designing it or the shape of the front of the vehicle. Don't hit anyone with your vehicle and you won't kill anyone. I've been hit by a truck bicycling, thankfully not too hard. But I don't really think it would have been better to have been hit by a low slung sleek car. It would have put all the force through my legs.

The problem is the high front makes it such that there's a huge blind spot.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by Someone1234 »

_coveredInBees wrote: post #175

I gotta say, I am very impressed by what I've seen with the F-150. It's clear that a LOT of thought has gone into this product and Ford clearly understands their target audience extremely well. There are so many nice features that are so well tailored to folks who buy trucks. All the features to power job sites, etc is really sweet and I can totally see that being super handy. Heck, it would make it super easy to wor…

I could legitimately see every job site having at least one as a rolling power station.

That could be a very useful and popular niche, construction sites without power at early phases of construction aren't rare and power tool batteries are expensive.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by newacct583 »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is.

Yet the top comment is a reflexive jab at those woke folks with zero content about the truck in question. That's very much on brand for HN.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by durge »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #276
rootusrootus wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

It’s signaling; in my mind it’s the same for many Tesla drivers. But I mean, same for me, I drive a Subaru Outback because while I do use it for outdoor exploring and want to signal that, its off road use is honestly limited to a dirt parking lot. It’s often about image. (Edit) consumption waste of traditional F150s, and yes, even that of my beloved Subaru is not great, but the absolute worst are coal rollers and tho…

Yeah you're just signaling being Bozeman or Boulder basic.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by rootusrootus »

csharptwdec19 wrote: post #128
perardi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…what a non sequitur. The F-150 is already a bloated monstrosity, it makes no difference if it’s electric. It’s some tiny bit faster, but they’re all fast enough.

Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration. This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb. Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power…

> Let us not forget that a lot of 'Car guys' are arguably insane.

You might want to look in the mirror. Car threads bring out really destructive attitudes, and mostly not from the 'car guys'. The stuff that gets said here is astounding...

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