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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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sixothree wrote: post #239
ghaff wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be somewhat skeptical of the convenience claim. A former colleague argued that the attraction of Napster was more about convenience than price which I didn't really buy. But if we look at the popularity of streaming services today versus owning even DRM-free music, that would seem to support the convenience theory. (It hasn't taken off for books to the same degree but I'd guess that's in part because the va…

I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Spotify, sometimes Youtube TV, OTA via TIVO. Trust me, TPB is much more convenient.

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Post by T3RMINATED »

toss1 wrote: post #235
lmilcin wrote: post #165

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> We got scammed. Well, depends on how you look at it and how comfortable you are forgetting about how it looked before you could buy online. I pay for convenience which is a service rather than tangible good. If I need a book for my research, I would prefer to have access to it immediately rather than wait two weeks to get it from overseas. My time is valuable and the pause on the project or inconvenience of not hav…

Fine, but selling convenience is DIFFERENT from selling possession. Alan may want convenience of streaming a large library for a low price. Barbara may want the conveniece of having physical media she can bring on her travels and play without an internet connection, or the ability to play it 20 years from now and give to her kids. That is all fine, they are two different things The scam is selling the rental of trans…

Try opening a book from the Microsoft eBook store. It will fail because they closed down the DRM servers. The books stopped working. PlayStation 3 store? Wii store? Same story. You can no longer access your purchases.

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Post by zerocrates »

lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

You can still download purchases from the PS3 store; in fact you can still buy things from it (but only because of an outcry when Sony announced they were closing it). I'm pretty sure you can still download past purchases from the Wii store too.

Of course, those kinds of "we're keeping the servers up after the store is closed" situations are necessarily limited so it's just a matter of time. As you say, once the calculus of remaining users and the reputational damage of shutting down gets small enough then it'll happen.

On the other hand, Playstation has a worse set of problems going on: systems apparently need to phone home if their CMOS battery dies or is replaced, and if those servers aren't around anymore or you have no internet, even physical copies don't play. (As far as I know this is just about resetting the clock but it's still a network dependency.)

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Post by SirSourdough »

drewzero1 wrote: post #289
fsflover wrote: post #214

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> I have tons of music ripped from CDs Are you suggesting that it's a simple and convenient thing to do for the public?

Are you suggesting that it's not? Maybe I'm out of touch with both the state of technology and the general public (guilty on both counts), but last I checked major operating systems all came with CD ripping software included. Do people really not have CD drives any more or something?

It seems like a lot more people have laptops only these days and most new laptops don’t have a CD drive. Neither my 2013 MBP or the desktop I built in 2018 have a CD drive and I’ve never needed one with the desktop and haven’t used one with the laptop since a year or two after I bought it. They are basically phased out for computing purposes it seems.

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

jgalt212 wrote: post #123
lrvick wrote: post #57

Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media, what media you consume, how many times you consume it, or how long you consume it. You can enjoy it offline, and in 20 years long after the studio that licensed it is gone. You can give it to a friend or loan it out. Or sell it. It is yours. Meanwhile DRM media we pay full price for, or if the content is only available via streaming we pay for…

> Physical media lets you have privacy without logging when you watch media Don't some blu ray players try to connect to the internet whenever you watch a disc? I think my PS3 used to do that.

PS4 and Xbox One both need to be connected the first time you watch a blu ray, I think so that Microsoft/Sony only have to pay blu ray licensing fees if you actually use the feature.

Not sure about other blu ray players but I imagine those are the most common ones.

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Post by SirSourdough »

sixothree wrote: post #239
ghaff wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be somewhat skeptical of the convenience claim. A former colleague argued that the attraction of Napster was more about convenience than price which I didn't really buy. But if we look at the popularity of streaming services today versus owning even DRM-free music, that would seem to support the convenience theory. (It hasn't taken off for books to the same degree but I'd guess that's in part because the va…

I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Spotify, sometimes Youtube TV, OTA via TIVO. Trust me, TPB is much more convenient.

I think it depends on your viewing habits. If you decide what content you want to watch and then seek it out, you might have a tougher time finding what you want with all the streaming services segregating content.

But if you start by opening a streaming service and browse from there I don’t really think there’s any contest between the high-quality exploration and experience of eg Netflix vs the glorified spreadsheet browsing that is TPB and all the gotchas that go along with downloading random torrents...

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Post by baliex »

elliekelly wrote: post #279
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #262

Buying a DVD is also only buying a limited license (you can't, for example, legally make copies of that DVD or use it for public performances). Buying a blu-ray is even more of a gray area with the key schemes being fundamentally more complex and internet-updatable. It's possible the blu-ray you bought and watched last year may not work on your player anymore. I agree that it's wrong to say you're "buying" movies fro…

I could be wrong but I think you can legally make copies of a DVD you own so long as it’s only for personal use and not for distribution.

This law has a tendency to flip-flop every now and again, and is per-jurisdiction in any case
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