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Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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> people typically get jobs because they have bills to pay, not because it's fun. If a position across the street becomes available which allows you to pursue a personal goal you aspire and afford your current lifestyle, would you remain at your current "non-fun" job or give it a shot and apply? Many people don't just get job because they have bills to pay, they get jobs that they don't like because there is no alter…

obviously there's such a thing as better or worse jobs, but OP suggested that they were willing to work on whatever, as long as it's fun, for any arbitrary amount of pay. So OP is in a position where money is not important to them. So why have a job at all? Have a fun or meaningful hobby instead, or start a personal project.

> So why have a job at all?

The author doesn't ask so much for a job, as reflects about something more profound: meaningful, purposeful relationships with others which enables them to manifest their morals, values, identity,...

Interesting work isn't interesting for the sake of spending 8+ hours a day "doing" something. It only becomes interesting when it has an impact on the world which one feels is meaningful.

For sure, a novelist could write books for no other reason then deriving enjoyment of the sheer act of committing words to paper or a screen. But the vast majority of people feel that the things they do in life truly become meaningful when they are seen, used, enjoyed,... by others.

One could argue that one could do so by volunteering, taking initiative, or starting one's own business. However, the vast majorities of opportunities to enter meaningful professional relationships still involve signing a dotted line and a salary.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Many people in my circle are proud of paying off mortgages, so I kind of assumed by default that it is a worthwhile thing. But looking at the numbers I'm not so sure: it seems much better in current market to cash out as much as possible and let that money sit in an index fund. I guess the main issues are some risks with downturns and/or liquidity.

I completely agree that it wasn't the right financial decision, but I don't regret it at all. I grew up working poor and watched multiple people lose their houses (some crash related, others not). This gave me a fairly conservative risk tolerance regarding debt. I feel "lighter" without debt hanging over me. The question that ultimately convinced me to just pay off my mortgage was "If someone gave you a house, free a…

Just wanted to thank you for the comment and clarify I didn't mean to criticize your choices - my background is very similar and it's just a realization I've had after stepping back and trying to think without those constraints/influences. I also know many people who lost houses or struggled, some which actually did cash-out refinances but then unwisely spent the money on unnecessary luxuries. Those seem easy to avoid. Some may be harder to avoid, like when someone has unforeseen costs such as medical related bills. But in cases such as ours, it seems we are well enough off to have cash on hand to eliminate the mortgage; the question just becomes whether that is the best use for the money. It certainly seems a bad idea to just keep the cash on hand. The index fund returns have been very good for long periods of time now, so seem like a good low-risk option, given that they are liquid and can be redirected to a mortgage payoff at any time.

Edit: having said that the difference is not that large (3-4% for the 30 year note, vs. 5-10% for the market return). Also, while I didn't pay off my mortgage, I probably won't put even more money where my mouth is and refinance in order to invest the cash-out into a fund.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Many people in my circle are proud of paying off mortgages, so I kind of assumed by default that it is a worthwhile thing. But looking at the numbers I'm not so sure: it seems much better in current market to cash out as much as possible and let that money sit in an index fund. I guess the main issues are some risks with downturns and/or liquidity.

I completely agree that it wasn't the right financial decision, but I don't regret it at all. I grew up working poor and watched multiple people lose their houses (some crash related, others not). This gave me a fairly conservative risk tolerance regarding debt. I feel "lighter" without debt hanging over me. The question that ultimately convinced me to just pay off my mortgage was "If someone gave you a house, free a…

A place to live which cannot readily be taken away from you carries tremendous practical value and existential comfort.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Be careful. I got brain picked after a via HN startup interview and job offer that turned out to be fake.

What happened? Sounds interesting.

Great interview w a 3-person (didn't meet other 2) startup. On-the-spot offer.#? No paperwork yet, handshake/verbal offer.# Met in-person the same-day. Didn't want to grab lunch or do anything celebratory.# Acted very impersonal and rushed.# He was overly focused on raising money.# He just wanted to know a bunch of immediate solutions without looking at any systems or code.# Never heard from the other people, which may not even exist.# Cap table was 70% him and everyone else was an employee with a pittance.# After that meeting, the dude makes a snide remark by text and ghosts me.####

Someone official at YC told me such a story was intellectually-uninteresting, it sucks/too bad, and HN/YC has zero responsibility.

# Red flag

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Well said. This is why engineers who know how to finish the last 10% are truly valued by good colleagues and managers.

I don't think so, most teams never do the last 10% on any project ever. They pick the low hanging fruit with the first 80% and if they are thorough they might bring it up to 90%, but 100%? I've never seen such a software project.

I'd say that Total Commander is very close to 100%.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Pie in the sky. Any realistic employer reading this plea should be turned off fairly quickly. Typically, it's a red flag when an employee gives an employer ultimatums while already in their employ (e.g., give me a raise of x amount or I will quit). This post is an example of a potential employee giving ultimatums to a future employer before they have even been given a job.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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I’ve been on the receiving end of similar requests before. “I’ll work for free or nothing if you let me do what I love under the umbrella of your organization because I love it so much.” I did one or two agreements like this and then stopped altogether. The individual would start their work, others would start to depend on its existence and the individual would leave in a matter or weeks or months because something e…

Seems like a weird idea to me anyways, to offer to work for very little money or even nothing, as long as the work is interesting. To me it seems that time is much better spent on a fun personal (side) project. And who knows ... maybe the side project will earn some income in time.

I did something sort of similar. There are limits to what you can do with a side project, and joining a company gets you access to other people with different skill sets from yours.

In my particular case after finding a good fit with a small startup I told the CEO to just pay me as little as he could reasonably justify and make up the rest in equity (which I was fully aware would likely be worthless). In a different framing, I was "spending" my missing salary by "hiring" some people to do the work I wouldn't want to do - pitching deals, forming business relationships, and negotiating contracts to get me the data that I actually wanted to work on.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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Just as an example, having to stay in the office if there's nothing else to do for the day was absolutely soul-crushing for me. That should literally never be the case for a developer though. You can always be improving the documentation, increasing the test coverage, optimizing for speed/bandwidth/complexity/some other metric you've measured, working out how to measure something, learning new tools or tech that coul…

> Just as an example, having to stay in the office if there's nothing else to do for the day was absolutely soul-crushing for me. > That should literally never be the case for a developer though. After 20+ years I've both been in such a position FULL TIME, as have others (eg: Many devs at ServiceNow) - hired on to work on cool things at an old small company and then literally sat around every day with no tasks and no…

In my experience, it is not like that at all. The not having anything to do simply does not happen. What happens is "not being under pressure". But I was always able to find useful stuff to do, not including learning.

I do learning in work time. Learning could be backup for when there is truly nothing to do, like when git is down or something. But those chances are so rare, that I have to learn while there is stuff to do.

> eg last day of sprint, how many times have you pulled in a new multi-day ticket?

I was in exactly one team where you would wait on this situation. In literally all other teams, it was 100% normal to work on something multiday for next sprint. And that one team was dysfunctional in more then one way.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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I just had a good chuckle at this. I’m skeptical, to say the least. I don’t have direct experience. But I do work at a company that has poached several FAANG employees this past year and whose thoughts...differ from yours.

I can second dkasper's observations -- the PSC cycle is engineered to reward initiative. That said, depending on the team, the practice does not always follow the theory, so it makes sense that the FB employees your company could poach may have been the ones unsatisfied with the way their team rewarded initiative.

Kent Beck became a former Facebook employee because he wasn't in to proving he was moving the needle on Facebook's key metrics. He was only giving world class mentoring to young Facebook engineers and improving the development culture.

Re: Hire me and pay what you want, just give me interesting work

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So there are two issues with this: 1. If I were looking to hire someone and read this, I would immediately be turned off. Why? Because part of being an engineer (or any employee really) is doing a bunch of stuff people don't enjoy doing. This includes: - Writing documentation - Writing tests - Fixing bugs - Talking to partners about a change/launch - Talking to lawyers - etc So I would be wondering: if you're signali…

I had a developer on my team at my last company who was like this. Avoid at all cost.
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