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Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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It has to be made clear that this isn't about legality. It's also not about whether this "technically qualifies" as "banning" or "censorship".

It's about what kind of society we want to live in. I want to live in an open society. I want to be able to watch movies and read books that offend people. I want to be my own censor and I want everybody to be their own censor. We're grown-ups, we can make decisions like this for ourselves.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Now this part is getting a little too carried away. It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. It is another (and overstepping imo) for Ebay to restrict individual people from selling to others goods that are not illegal or in violation of their other practical rules (no selling jewelry, monetary equivalents, etc). This falls into the cate…

> It is one thing for libraries and bookstores to decide not to offer for borrowing or sale things that they disagree with. Ebay is a private merchant. They can choose what to list too. Maybe this presents a copyright problem with clones, we don't know. I found the books by googling the title and PDF because I was curious about why they were removed. Curiosity satisifed and I still love Dr. Seuss.

> Ebay is a private merchant

That doesn't mean their choices are somehow immune from public criticism.

I realize that clarity is in short supply in online discussions, but mostly I think people that are reacting negatively are just asserting that they disagree with the decision and not that a law has been broken or that the government should step in and force the decision to be reversed.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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post #29

What bothers me is the speed with which this process - "accused -> convinced -> executed" happens. We are not discussing things anymore. Today, you could tweet any accusations, and, no matter how ridiculous they look at first, it will lead to a race of who is taking them most seriously. Something definitely is broken. Look at what happened to the "okay". 4chan forced that meme 5 years ago in what they thought is a mi…

Yeah I was sad about that guy at a theme park that got fired for making an OK sign in a family's photo. Its like everyone forgot about the circle game, "the game", and went straight for white supremacy racist.

I wanted to write in or call in, but it was too late.

This one is crazy, but I have my own causes and that ain't one of them! I find it peculiar and I'm aware "they are coming for the trade unionists next" but I think I can navigate this reality and stay out of the re-education camps.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need a company to tell me what books I'm allowed to read to my kids.

They aren't though. Does every company that published any book have a responsibility to continue publishing them forever? Of course not.

The comment I was responding to:

> I think the publisher and now eBay are making the right call - children are impressionable, and presenting racial caricatures like these to them is not good.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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post #75

My work sent out a memo today regarding what pronouns I'm allowed to use. We're in the middle of a cultural revolution, and the current trend seems to be for rapid acceleration rather than moderation.

These conversations always crack me up. Its just so comical. An empire with the largest military presence around the world, outspending the rest of the world to buy weapons that can decimate the world population multiple times over, but, somehow that is not "offensive"..

Nope, we call that "defense!"

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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post #29

What bothers me is the speed with which this process - "accused -> convinced -> executed" happens. We are not discussing things anymore. Today, you could tweet any accusations, and, no matter how ridiculous they look at first, it will lead to a race of who is taking them most seriously. Something definitely is broken. Look at what happened to the "okay". 4chan forced that meme 5 years ago in what they thought is a mi…

I'm a little confused. Are you actually referring to the word "okay"? What is CNL?

He is.

“Okay” is now considered racist.

It’s super pernicious too, but effective bludgeon. Making “Okay” racist is obscure enough that most normal people (ie those not obsessed with wokeness) have never heard of it.

Consider that you’ve never heard until now that “okay” is racist and you did the okay symbol in front of a political commissar (I mean a woke person, can’t keep up) that doesn’t like you. You’re done.

Re: Dr. Seuss books deemed offensive will be delisted from eBay

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I don't fully understand this move by eBay. They let people sell the books without problem. Then the rights holder withdrew the IP from circulation (their right) and then SUDDENLY and simultaneously eBay arrived at the same conclusion as the rights holder? Like overnight they came to the same realization? I don’t get the problem with the Asian depiction (apparently the eyes are problematic). But looking at block prin…

I get the vague impression that Dr. Seuss' estate asked eBay to do this, but maybe we'll never know.
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