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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by vecinu » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

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> You are already liable for US taxes for at least the next 10 years abroad, from the date you have been judicially determined to have abandoned your green card. So I can't find this mentioned anywhere in your link or online. That's the first I hear of it, do you have a source? There is an expatriation tax if you've been a GC holder for 8 out of 15 years, which I haven't been so I'm fine to leave without any hassles…

My apologies: I linked the wrong source. But, my info is otherwise correct. What I mentioned does not even have anything to do with the expatriation tax for green card holders. See: https://americansoverseas.org/en/knowledge-centre/when-are-y... These are the most important headers to look at: * US Income Tax: How to Relinquish the Green Card * Form I-407 or Letter of Intent to Abandon Resident Status Both of my pare…

I'm absolutely not offended, it's just the first time I hear about this and I can't find any supporting information about it. Even in the last link you provided, americanoverseas.org, I still can't find any mention of owing taxes to the US, 10 years after relinquishing your green card.

The only thing that pops up time and time again is the expatriation tax which only applies if you had your GC for 8 years.

I'm really sorry about your neurological diseases, it's such a shame US healthcare is in shambles for the general populace.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by josephg » Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 PM UTC

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During the covid crisis I’ve stopped telling my American friends about the situation here in Australia. There’s been some political mud throwing about which state managed it best - but we brought the numbers to zero, and have done it as a nation several times now. Since covid, talking to my friends in the USA about Australia feels like punching down. You might have more earning potential in the US, but I’d much rathe…

> Since covid, talking to my friends in the USA about Australia feels like punching down. Please do not take offense to this. This will be infuriating, but I want you to understand the American mindset that causes this behavior. Please know that I am found of Australians: In primary school, 2 of my neighbors were Australian, and I played with them every day. They were wonderful, very kind, loyal friends, and their fa…

I agree with your criticisms of Australia. And I have some more. I found it extremely enlightening moving to the Bay Area for a couple years then moving back to Aus. When I moved home I saw my home country in a new light. Australia feels insular, small minded and chronically unambitious.

And that anxiety you mentioned that’s strangely ever present in the US disappeared when I came home. I was on a bus and had the revelation that nobody was going to try to talk to me. It was bliss.

The lockdowns we had in Melbourne to keep covid down were utterly harrowing and I think a lot of us are still processing that experience. We gave up some freedoms temporarily to save lives. It was a temporary sacrifice of personal freedoms, because not making that sacrifice would have been worse. Letting covid out would have risked the lives of my parents, and I would have risked long covid - and who knows how many complications down the road. And it’s proof we as a nation can take collective action when we need to. I worry that the US might not have been able to do what we did to contain the virus, even if the fatality rate was 20x higher than it is. And that’s a tragedy from the country that invented the internet and landed people on the moon.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by eatbitseveryday » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

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Thanks for sharing. I spent some time in Europe albeit that was a long time ago and I feel like I was too young to experience the hardships of life I'm facing in the US. I know the safety nets you're referring to, they're there for health care, unemployment and worker rights. Things that don't really exist for most people in the US if they're unemployed or in a regular job. I'm lucky to be in a well paid, high lucrat…

> I have a Romanian passport so it's easy to jump over the pond but I'd love my US residency and all the years I put in to be able to start switching jobs more easily. I don't want a ridiculous amount of wealth but I'd love to have a head start and secure financial freedom for my family. That is 100% totally understandable, and is basically the American dream, as you know. No matter what, as soon as you can: After yo…

> But, generally speaking, once you are a citizen, you are a citizen: it can never be taken away from you. We need people like you and your family as US citizens.

Naturalized citizens can lose citizenship if it is determined they lied on their application. This is unlike those who inherited citizenship via birth.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by disabled » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

josephg wrote: post #302

disabled wrote: post #297

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> Since covid, talking to my friends in the USA about Australia feels like punching down. Please do not take offense to this. This will be infuriating, but I want you to understand the American mindset that causes this behavior. Please know that I am found of Australians: In primary school, 2 of my neighbors were Australian, and I played with them every day. They were wonderful, very kind, loyal friends, and their fa…

I agree with your criticisms of Australia. And I have some more. I found it extremely enlightening moving to the Bay Area for a couple years then moving back to Aus. When I moved home I saw my home country in a new light. Australia feels insular, small minded and chronically unambitious. And that anxiety you mentioned that’s strangely ever present in the US disappeared when I came home. I was on a bus and had the rev…

> The lockdowns we had in Melbourne to keep covid down were utterly harrowing and I think a lot of us are still processing that experience. We gave up some freedoms temporarily to save lives. It was a temporary sacrifice of personal freedoms, because not making that sacrifice would have been worse. Letting covid out would have risked the lives of my parents, and I would have risked long covid - and who knows how many complications down the road. And it’s proof we as a nation can take collective action when we need to. I worry that the US might not have been able to do what we did to contain the virus, even if the fatality rate was 20x higher than it is. And that’s a tragedy from the country that invented the internet and landed people on the moon.

I definitely agree with all of this.

Yeah, sorry my fellow peers in America are being pricks, and are being so mean that they are not just inflicting pain—-but are retraumatizing Australians (usually strangers) on the internet.

In the US, sadly, if somebody dies of coronavirus, then they are really nothing more than a statistic. It is sad but true. A lot of this existed before big tech, but big tech brought it to a totally different level.

I agree that America probably would not come together in solidarity to stop a virus 20 times more fatal. I have been so worried about where America has been going for the past 6 years especially.

Even if we do somehow get our act together, we will need profound structural change. We will need to flood our politics with ambitious positive plans in general in the future to stop this kind of stuff.

Also, the first 5 years of life determines many outcomes in life. It can set up a child to have an authoritarian personality for life, for example. To stop this, our government needs to put extreme emphasis on young children’s development so this kind of stuff can never happen again. I mean like hardcore investments, projects, and human rights towards the best development of young children.

The depths of how far low it can go are profoundly deep.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by iso1210 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM UTC

AnotherGoodName wrote: post #229

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Australia's tax burden is 27.8% of GDP USA's tax burden is 27.1% of GDP Not an enormous difference.

The tax brackets are the point i'm making. Australia literally has 0% for the lowest bracket whereas the USA starts at 10% even on the lowest wage earners. The difference is made up for in the higher brackets. This boosts median wealth for a nation whilst it doesn't affect the average wealth per person. Having the median wealth higher so that there's a functioning middle class is a good thing.

Aus median wage AUD89,000, tax on that seems to be $20,472.00 - 23%, plus $1780 medicare

US median wage USD49,764, Fed + CA tax is $9,611.02 - 19%

Median wage in Australia is far higher than in America seems more important than the tax rate at the 50th percentile

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by BrandoElFollito » Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 6:43 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #179

blunte wrote: post #172

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What you get for your US tax money is absolutely not worth having that passport if you have another good passport. I would give that one up (and likely will once I get my second).

Plenty of expats have gotten more US stimulus cheques than they’ve paid in US taxes. But it doesn’t make up for the dozens of hours of paperwork and careful tip-toeing on investments and other garbage. Just an FYI: one hiccup I heard of giving up your US citizenship is that banks didn’t recognize you could be born in USA but not a US citizen.

When opening accounts in the EU you are asked if you are a US citizen.

You then answer no and that's all, they do not check further.

There may be a check against the form element "place of birth" but I doubt so.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by Scoundreller » Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 8:18 PM UTC

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Thanks for the post! I should be eligible under S. 4 where it makes it sound like I'm already a citizen. But yeah, I got the feeling proving it would still be a slow and painful process where it could take a while to gather it all. And I'd only have to deal with 2 parents' records (I think?). They'll be listed as hrvati, but finding originals of the birth certs is a question. But kinda worried about a parent trying t…

> Just haven't bothered to follow through with it unless I saw myself needing it. And it's increasingly likely I'll be eligible for another EU passport in the near future anyway. It's chump change to get Croatian citizenship. I only had to pay the Croatian government $235 in 2018 to get it. I was granted it in 10 months. Likewise, getting the putovnica (passport) is easy as can be. I got my Putovnica at the Croatian…

My local consulate has published a guide here with the new changes:

http://ca.mvep.hr/files/file/dmku/ca/Croatian-Citizenship-Ov...

Looks quite permissive.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by kblev » Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 11:12 PM UTC

blunte wrote: post #172

tonfa wrote: post #141

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I hope the kids won't mind having to declare/pay US taxes :)

What you get for your US tax money is absolutely not worth having that passport if you have another good passport. I would give that one up (and likely will once I get my second).

Can't comment on how the taxes are spent but having US citizenship can give you access to their job market, in tech this can be a valuable benefit. Op's kids will be able to renounce their citizenship should they wish.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by disabled » Thu, Mar 04, 2021, 9:00 PM UTC

Scoundreller wrote: post #307

disabled wrote: post #291

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> Just haven't bothered to follow through with it unless I saw myself needing it. And it's increasingly likely I'll be eligible for another EU passport in the near future anyway. It's chump change to get Croatian citizenship. I only had to pay the Croatian government $235 in 2018 to get it. I was granted it in 10 months. Likewise, getting the putovnica (passport) is easy as can be. I got my Putovnica at the Croatian…

My local consulate has published a guide here with the new changes: http://ca.mvep.hr/files/file/dmku/ca/Croatian-Citizenship-Ov... Looks quite permissive.

:-)

You are awesome! Sorry for the late reply. I have been sick.

It looks like you would be eligible under D). I am assuming you were born before 1991. If your parents do not have their Domovnica (Croatian citizenship certificate) yet, there is a process for doing that. But, the form that I provided in the link in the previous post is the same one that was provided under D).

But yeah, the laws are quite permissive. Having a friendly consulate makes all the difference. :-)

One thing you should be aware of: Canada does not do Apostille on documents. There is a special certification process that you have to do with your documents from Canada, which the consulate will help you with.

But, I do hope you apply for Croatian citizenship. It really is worth the effort, and if you have a helpful consulate, it makes all the difference.