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How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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I am deeply, deeply romantic about programming. I consider it an act of self-actualization. But answering the question literally, I am not representative of everyone in the industry, and that's a good thing. It's easy to feel romantic about your vocation when you have a number of reasonable options for achieving modest financial security, and you thus had the privilege of choosing the one that most closely matched yo…

I once had someone vehemently complain to me about certain style rules in place in a code base saying, “only machines will ever read it, who cares how it looks as long as it works?” As someone who’s deeply passionate about software development it certainly made me look at this person in a different light.

I've worked with people who would scatter literals throughout a codebase because they were too lazy to type out the names of variables and constants. I feel your pain.

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I’m thinking of going back to school for Biology, but not sure. Have been thinking about it for a few years (getting older, seeing people around falling ill, and now the pandemic). Ultimately in Bioinformatics or Genomics. At least I can still utilize my technology knowledge than start from 0. Also, the pay is less than a normal software developer.

Larger bioinformatics groups often hire software developers with no biology credentials (just interest in the area) Check out the uni job boards.

Yes thats true. You don’t need a degree to work in a field - one of the amazing perks of being a software developer

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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I've found being too attached to code is a recipe for frustration in the workplace. You code something elegant, simple, dare I say beautiful and inevitably it will be butchered by new product requirements, business needs, that quick hack to satisfy a client or more generally uncaring colleagues who are looking to get their job done as quickly as possible. Perhaps romantic aspects could only be achieved when there are…

> It's hard to be romantic in corporate environments. I agree it's hard, but it's not impossible. One thing that heightens the experience for me is to: Listen to movie scores while you program. I first started this to help drown out other noises so I could concentrate. But, I soon realized that there's a lot of drama in the sound: there are highs and lows, chaos and order, fumbles and precision, brief pauses, slow ti…

Interstellar’s is great. I also like The Social Network’s, especially given the film’s subject matter.

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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I do enjoy programming. It's like Legos for adults (though I still own a large Lego collection as an adult too). But I'm also resonating with some of the other negative comments in here as well. I love programing when I'm able to love programming. Years ago, I watched this Dan Goldman RSA talk about motivation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJ4CDCfASI) and I began actively looking for a job the next day. For me, I've found his three points on motivation to be key: Autonomy, Mastery, and Purpose. When I'm not able to enjoy programming, it's because my employer has violated one or more of these and treating me like a horse.

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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Retiring sounds good right about now. I'm with you. If I had another skill, I'd give up computers entirely. Maybe have a smartphone, and that's it. But only for limited use. I wish I could build things with my hands, or play an instrument, or just be good at something else, and let the tech world pass me by. I used to love technology because it was fun and interesting. It's no longer either of those things.

I know it's the biggest cliche in the world, but the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Lots of musicians wish they had a skill that let them sit at a desk all day and get a stable paycheck. Not saying you have to keep working in tech forever, but I don't think it's objectively stopped being fun and interesting.

Yes, and I think the problem is more: "What I am doing sucks the soul out of my life so bad that I'd be willing to do anything else."

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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If you have multiple startups competing evenly in the same space why does one succeed and the others fail? The founders ability to execute is paramount. But of equal importance is that one product has a little bit of magic. Something that makes the user smile. If it was easy every startup would have it. You might say they all do the same task why spend extra time so the user has an incredible experience. Because in m…

It's more likely just some luck

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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I used to love programming, but after doing it for some years professionally I feel like a lot of people (clients, managers, co-workers) look down on it. Like its just a neccessary evil they wish they didn't have to deal with. I feel like it is the lowest status profession you can have in the tech world.

> I feel like it is the lowest status profession you can have in the tech world. QA, Ops, Support, and (in a reversal from a few decades ago) Analysis would like to have words with you.

In general anything related to IT isn't "well-regarded." Even compared to regular engineering professions/doctors/lawyers all hold more prestige.

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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By treating it as a job and not a hobby. You don't need to make work your life. While older programmers I've met certainly are more likely to do it in their free time, I think we're beginning the transition of a newer generation brought up with the fact that it's a career. There is so much to learn that it barely benefits you to do extra in you free time unless you are job hunting.

Exactly this. Many people are introduced to it in college at this point.

Also too the world they grow up in is far different. Computing for us was a lot more intensive to them, who now just pull one right out of their pocket.

Re: How can you not be romantic about programming? (2020)

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I've found being too attached to code is a recipe for frustration in the workplace. You code something elegant, simple, dare I say beautiful and inevitably it will be butchered by new product requirements, business needs, that quick hack to satisfy a client or more generally uncaring colleagues who are looking to get their job done as quickly as possible. Perhaps romantic aspects could only be achieved when there are…

> It's hard to be romantic in corporate environments. I agree it's hard, but it's not impossible. One thing that heightens the experience for me is to: Listen to movie scores while you program. I first started this to help drown out other noises so I could concentrate. But, I soon realized that there's a lot of drama in the sound: there are highs and lows, chaos and order, fumbles and precision, brief pauses, slow ti…

I love TRON Legacy Soundtrack. Great pick.
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