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Post by rcpt »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #240
gregmac wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway What a disgusting attitude. How is this different from "Why bother treating cancer patients? Most are going to die early anyway"? Do you think old and sick people simply provide no value to society? I think you're trying to argue that it's worse if a young, otherwise healthy person dies, but…

At some point the exuberance of the young and their ability to determine their own lives has to take priority over the comfort of the old. I am nearing middle age myself and I might be in a risk group, but I want restrictions lifted. People in their teens and twenties need to have their big social coming-of-age and courtship rituals. I see restrictions as an approach to COVID, as the greatest betrayal of young people…

But that's real far off from how the US does things. 30% of Medicare is spent on people who die within a year for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_rationing_in_the_Un...

And global warming might as well not exist as far as lawmakers are concerned. The comfort of the old is our nation's top priority.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #281
majewsky wrote: post #278

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We did flatten the curve. You just don't get to see the alternate reality where we didn't.

I'm not questioning the flattening the curve part. I'm saying the 2 weeks part was gaslighting. What they should have said is "one year or greater to flatten the curve." That would have been honest

I think the error here is perceiving errors from medical authorities as having emotional or manipulative motivations.

First masks were unnecessary and hand washing was crucial. Now it’s essentially the reverse. It helps to wash hands of course but we realize it’s less of a vector.

Then various governments said it’ll be over by summer. Then various governments said it’ll be a year.

No one was attempting to gaslight; this was the culmination of millions of professionals doing their best to make sense of the situation, and occasionally, uncertain terms being communicated incorrectly. This is normal. The decision to perceive non-optimal performance in an incredibly complex situation as an attack on a population is yours, and you’re welcome to it. I simply don’t see the point.

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Post by jaywalk »

globular-toast wrote: post #196
corobo wrote: post #111

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You guys know people lost their jobs during the pandemic right?

Of course I do, but what does that have to do with this? Are you suggesting bar owners or workers will be on here seeking some kind of comfort? This is clearly for people that go to hang out in bars as customers.

So because those people probably aren't here, it's fine to demean them and act like all of the horrible things that have happened to them and their employees are actually GOOD THINGS because some people "got to" spend more time by lakes and forests?

My tech job is very safe. My financial situation has not changed. But many of my friends own and work in bars and restaurants, and I have seen firsthand how their lives have been so negatively impacted by all of this.

In all sincerity: go fuck yourself.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

standardUser wrote: post #298
leesalminen wrote: post #218

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Pretty sure one of Biden’s main talking points of his election campaign was that America would start listening to the scientists more closely.

Nothing Biden has said or done has implied he wants to take a hardline approach to COVID restrictions, aside from briefly floating the idea of limited domestic travel. And he made no effort to tie the massive relief package to restrictive state polices. Beyond that, he has limited authority over state and local restrictions.

One of the Biden administration's first moves was to reinstate the ban on travel to the USA from Schengen that was about to expire. And it was just announced that this ban would now be extended indefinitely. The US ban on travel does not just affect tourism, it affects family reunification as well, and I would consider that a hardline approach.

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Post by jdminhbg »

gregmac wrote: post #226
Clewza313 wrote: post #145

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But those mostly killed people still the prime of their lives, while COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway. If we measured the toll in disability-adjusted life years instead, the comparison would be quite different. Cynical thought: COVID lockdowns are extreme largely because unlike most public health problems it affects the rich t…

> COVID mostly (not entirely, but mostly) advances the Grim Reaper for the old and sick who likely only had a few years anyway What a disgusting attitude. How is this different from "Why bother treating cancer patients? Most are going to die early anyway"? Do you think old and sick people simply provide no value to society? I think you're trying to argue that it's worse if a young, otherwise healthy person dies, but…

> How is this different from "Why bother treating cancer patients? Most are going to die early anyway"?

You do realize that every day we decline to treat cancer patients because they are close to dying anyway, right?

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Post by ghaff »

standardUser wrote: post #298
leesalminen wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure one of Biden’s main talking points of his election campaign was that America would start listening to the scientists more closely.

Nothing Biden has said or done has implied he wants to take a hardline approach to COVID restrictions, aside from briefly floating the idea of limited domestic travel. And he made no effort to tie the massive relief package to restrictive state polices. Beyond that, he has limited authority over state and local restrictions.

To say nothing of control over how people actually act.

In any case, listening to scientists means you take their input and factor that into the tradeoffs that drive policy. Which may well involve simultaneously that there is e.g. some risk associated with allowing people to travel by air while allowing them to do it anyway.

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

RalfWausE wrote: post #31

I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated. I myself have no real economical shortcomings due to the lockdown, but even as a person who is normaly a total loner and who can spend weeks completely alone on a excessive hiking trip i am slowly going crazy... For my wife, who is a highly social character, its even worse. And i am not the only one in this mindset... wha…

> I think the psychological toll of the lockdowns in different countries is highly underestimated.

indeed it is:

The psychological impact of quarantine and how to reduce it: rapid review of the evidence https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

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Post by Uberphallus »

pb7 wrote: post #293
Damogran6 wrote: post #236

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More to the point, I think these statement show a lack of empathy on the part of the person making them. 'at least they're old' This has wiped out FAMILES. 2.4M worldwide and nearly 500k in the US. And it flies past people due to fatigue and habituation.

2.4M people is 0.03% of the global population. Heart disease alone kills 0.23% of the global population per year.

> 2.4M people is 0.03% of the global population. Heart disease alone kills 0.23% of the global population per year.

One would have thought that by now we wouldn't be comparing fatality rates of a disease that propagates exponentially when left unchecked, with a more or less stable family of diseases that isn't contagious, but here we are, apple pies to orange sorbets.

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Post by [deleted] »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #281
majewsky wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did flatten the curve. You just don't get to see the alternate reality where we didn't.

I'm not questioning the flattening the curve part. I'm saying the 2 weeks part was gaslighting. What they should have said is "one year or greater to flatten the curve." That would have been honest

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Post by RhodoGSA »

misterS wrote: post #290
RhodoGSA wrote: post #280

I don't miss my bar - because me and all my friends never stopped going. What people who 'Listened' don't realise is that people still go out... in every city. Most sheriff's in California have flat out refused to comply with the lockdown regulations. Since when did America get the ability to shutdown business'? Never.... During this Pandemic i've lost three 'Friends' (Social Media acquaintances I knew from HS) to su…

> anyone who tells you "You must do this for the saftey of others" can go fuck themselves. You have no right to tell me what I can and can't do as long as i am not causing DIRECT harm to you. Do you not count spreading a virus & possibly infecting others as causing direct harm?

No - I don't. If you are at a bar at the height of the pandemic, i'm definitely not causing you any harm by being there also. However, I do avoid my family who might be older. I don't go to large family gatherings. I do, however, believe American Ideals of freedom and free speech have definitely been harmed through this ordeal. No one can have any different opinion about COVID without being canceled.

As we are getting more and more data, the infection rate to death ratio is dropping lower and lower. At what point does Forcing people to lose their job and their entire lively-hoods, Taking on massive amounts of national debt that MY GENERATION will have to pay for, massive suicide increases going to be counted as direct harm? When we find out in the future after scrubbing all the data that the death toll was less than 1% but the suicide rate spiked by 30%, increased our total debt by 20% and fueled a massive recession in 5 years; how will future generations feel about the decisions we made?

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