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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by adw » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:42 AM UTC

wernercd wrote: post #294

adw wrote: post #214

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Lockdowns, social distancing and masking – done consistently – do work. Even the half-measures lockdowns the US has gone through has stopped the entire medical system from collapsing, and at times it has been very close . In NYC in the first wave, it did . But that isn't what has happened in the US, largely for political reasons. There are no good options, only less worse ones, and aggressive lockdowns have got Austr…

and yet states that didn't - and aren't - locking down - like Florida - are doing fine. Or better than states that have extensive lockdowns like New York, New Jersey and California... > Political reasons ... aggressive lockdowns in Australia Locking down a small country like Australia is much different than locking down a country like the US. Australia is only 20% smaller than the US yet has 10% of the population. Th…

> Locking down Australia would be like locking down one of our less densely populated states

This is very wrong. Australia is very, very dense, where people live: it just has a lot of absolutely uninhabited land. Functionally Australia is almost entirely urban.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by pelasaco » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:43 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #289

WA wrote: post #277

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Not sure where you're from, but most Western countries have no legal basis to detain people leaving their homes just because they're not vaccinated. There might be some restrictions like air travel though.

there will be a point where these concerns will have to be thrown out of the window. or the epidemic will just be endless.

"These concerns" are what we call Fundamental rights. I don't think we should throw them out of the window.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by kuschku » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:46 AM UTC

throwawayboise wrote: post #223

hirsin wrote: post #207

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Every medical professional I know /am related to has indicated that getting covid only grants 90 days immunity. Across state lines, they all have said that herd immunity visa infection is impossible as it requires everyone to be infected within a three month span.

If getting the actual disease only results in 90 days of immunity, then will a vaccine do any better? Is there precident for immunity via vaccine being longer-lasting than immunity as a result of contracting the actual disease?

That’s why the vaccine needs two applications. With only a single application, you’d also only get 90 days.

Additionally, a lot of the additives in the vaccine are intended to make your immune system perceive it as much more of a threat (while a virus will try to be perceived as not a threat), increasing the priority your immune system gives the virus (and the duration it will be able to stay immune)

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by giantDinosaur » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:48 AM UTC

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #188

wernercd wrote: post #172

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> there's strains And? The world doesn't end when new strains of the cold or the flu happen. Every year. As it's happened for as long as there have been humans. Humans have "eradicated"... Polio? Because it's rather serious? What else have we eradicated? COVID is here to stay.

Global eradication of diseases is very hard, because there are lots of areas that don’t have much money or government capacity to dedicate to disease control. Developed countries have brought quite a few diseases to near-extinction within their borders; tuberculosis is the obvious comparison, given the similarity in symptoms, transmissibility, and vaccine efficacy.

You'd be surprised with respect to tuberculosis. We use a vaccine developed 100 years ago, a vaccine which actually doesn't really work in adults (and immunity from the vaccine gets lost by adulthood), and antibiotic resistant strains are only becoming more prevalent.

https://theconversation.com/tuberculosis-kills-as-many-peopl...

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by swarnie_ » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:48 AM UTC

pelasaco wrote: post #302

anovikov wrote: post #289

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there will be a point where these concerns will have to be thrown out of the window. or the epidemic will just be endless.

"These concerns" are what we call Fundamental rights. I don't think we should throw them out of the window.

Considering i haven't seen my parents in 10 months its safe to say we already have.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by kuschku » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:52 AM UTC

pelasaco wrote: post #271

Great news, 5% of the population already. That shows me how my home country - Germany, which was once saw as example on the fight against COVID-19 - still far behind. We only vaccinated 1.8% of our population. I wonder if the credits of a good rollout and access to such amount of vaccine will be given to the Trump administration as it should be?

Schleswig-Holstein, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Rheinland-Pfalz are already at 3%.

Here’s a neat list with details: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Corona-Impfungen-Aktuell...

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by unishark » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:52 AM UTC

AndrewBissell wrote: post #89

unishark wrote: post #60

> * Herd immunity numbers assume no ongoing vaccination -- they more or less say, "If life went back to normal, would the virus slow down or speed up?" I'd say ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations as much of the world will not have herd immunity for a long time, if ever. And certainly…

> Personally I hope we keep a lot of it, at least a long while more. I really hate catching flu's and colds. Are you blissfully unaware of the enormous mental health and developmental problems these measures are causing, or do you just rate those as less important than suffering an occasional mild illness while you eat DoorDash and watch Netflix?

More likely you are incorrectly supposing that when I refer to social distancing I mean lockdowns.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by anovikov » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:59 AM UTC

pelasaco wrote: post #302

anovikov wrote: post #289

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there will be a point where these concerns will have to be thrown out of the window. or the epidemic will just be endless.

"These concerns" are what we call Fundamental rights. I don't think we should throw them out of the window.

it will work easily: nations that do it first, will be so rapidly outcompeting others, in a few years everyone will see there is no choice.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by pelasaco » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 10:02 AM UTC

kuschku wrote: post #306

pelasaco wrote: post #271

Great news, 5% of the population already. That shows me how my home country - Germany, which was once saw as example on the fight against COVID-19 - still far behind. We only vaccinated 1.8% of our population. I wonder if the credits of a good rollout and access to such amount of vaccine will be given to the Trump administration as it should be?

Schleswig-Holstein, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Rheinland-Pfalz are already at 3%. Here’s a neat list with details: https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Corona-Impfungen-Aktuell...

because we paid already for an unlimited arcgis license, we have an arcgis dashboard for that too: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/db557289b13c42e4ac3...

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by gsk22 » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 10:05 AM UTC

T-hawk wrote: post #189

eplanit wrote: post #121

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By Springtime (in 45-60 days) we'll be at the one year mark, fatigued by masks, rules, shutdowns, and authoritarians, in general. The news will be tedious about how many are being vaccinated (it will be a lot) -- and, the weather will turn warmer. Then, many/most will say _fuck it_, I'm taking my life back. I'm visualizing that day, and will welcome it.

I said "fuck it, I'm taking my life back" months ago. And then I realized how little that is possible. How are you going to protest your way into a concert that isn't performing? How are you going to demand your way into a university that isn't teaching? How are you going to riot your way into a Disneyland that isn't running? How are you going to force your way into a sports stadium that isn't playing? How are you go…

> We are no longer ever allowed to make personal risk management decisions.

Living life like there's no pandemic is not just personal risk, it's risk to other people and to society as a whole. If you don't understand that a year in, you're either not capable of understanding or you just don't care.