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Re: China CCP to Nationalize Jack Ma's Alibaba and Ant Group – Report

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Post by aeternum »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #266
aeternum wrote: post #243

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We can and should break up monopolies, or structure taxes and regulations to be unfavorable to monopolies. Current government policies favor large corporations due to both tax incentives and regulatory capture. Chick-Fil-A stopped donating to anti-LGBTQ groups. #deletefacebook did work but most users just switched to instagram so it had a minimal effect on revenue.

> We can and should break up monopolies, or structure taxes and regulations to be unfavorable to monopolies. Current government policies favor large corporations due to both tax incentives and regulatory capture. And putting unelected billionaires in charge is going to do exactly that? No. > #deletefacebook did work but most users just switched to instagram so it had a minimal effect on revenue No it didn't. Neither…

Putin was elected then used his power to remove term limits. President Xi did the same thing, and look at what Trump just tried.

It's important to have external checks to political power. It's pretty amazing that private companies (Twitter, FB, Stripe) were able to stand up to and effectively limit the power of the commander of the largest military on earth. That has almost never happened without bloodshed.

The US constitution is has worked pretty well, but it's just a document. History has not been kind to those nations that have centralized power by nationalizing companies. Doesn't that get us closer to fascism?

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Post by justicezyx »

berneezy3 wrote: post #257
hungryhobo wrote: post #166

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I'm sorry but Guo wen Gui is not a credible source. His past claims have repeatedly been debunked. Not to mention his deep ties with Steve bannon

Guo Wen Gui has made some previous claims that seemed outlandish at the time, but turned out to be true, such as China forcibly taking control of Hong Kong, causing protesters to flood the streets; the CCP lying/withholding information on the transmission and the origins of the virus; billionaires being kidnapped/murdered after conflict with the CCP. I would agree that he often exaggerates, and some of his claims do…

> but turned out to be true, such as China forcibly taking control of Hong Kong

Pick a random guy from the street of Shanghai Beijing Guangzhou, any college educated person, they'll prefix the same.

> the CCP lying/withholding information on the transmission and the origins of the virus;

This was largely accepted as a fact of any government handling an emergency. CCP of course is worst at this.

> billionaires being kidnapped/murdered after conflict with the CCP

Think about it, if this is true, how Mr. Guo still milking money from his cult followers. It's either that he is producing nonsense that CCP doesn't care, or he is protected by “deep state” or Trump? You probably want to accept the fact that Mr. Guo is producing junks, otherwise you are leaving with a worse alternative...

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Post by rmk »

vkou wrote: post #184
jonathannat wrote: post #169

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The era of CCP economic rise is over. Middle income trap and aging demographics dictate as much. CCP will now have to contend with - internal turmoil - political infighting - encirclement by democracies (India, Japan, Australia, US, UK, Canada, France, South Korea, Taiwan). Once Merkel is out in sept 2021, Germany will be onboard - negative sentiment from most of population in the world due to covid - exploding debt/…

> If you have a foreign commercial presence in China, expect... In how many months do you expect your predictions will come true, in a way that will cause the majority of Fortune 500 firms to leave China? Three? Six? Sixty? Six hundred? I, for one, have strong doubts that the majority of those firms will ever leave China. I will also note that all of your criticisms can be applied even more-so to democracies. Interna…

With the election of Biden, the US will shift to a more cooperative strategy for containing China. There will be a higher emphasis on building/repairing relationships with allies in the region, so that American blood is not spilled (allies will help put boots on the ground, backed by American guarantees). How long this will continue and whether this strategy will continue regardless of the changes of leadership in the US is open to question, though.

As part of the 'pivot to Asia' initiated by Obama, America has helped many neighbors of Israel make peace with it formally. Iran vs. Saudi Arabia is the only other major engagement in the region. America will also likely extricate itself from Afghanistan completely in order to focus its resources on containing China.

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Post by pessimizer »

reaperducer wrote: post #91
free_rms wrote: post #78

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It's not covert, but it's quite literally a propaganda machine. The reason Radio Free Europe/Asia were founded was to broadcast the benefits of 'freedom' into communist-governed areas. You might think that we're qualitatively the good guys, and I'm all for freedom, but that's definitionally 'propaganda'.

I don't disagree that it was founded to try to convince the world that America is awesome. But "propaganda" is an overused term, and in this case, far too broad a brush. People who listen to RFA know this. People who don't only see that it's run by a U.S. government agency and think it's the equivalent of Soviet shortwave days. Not everything the government does is evil. Not everything the government publishes is pro…

"Propaganda" is an underused term. The propaganda industry renamed itself as the "public relations" industry (Bernays quite literally coined the term.) After that "propaganda" meant "public relations that I disapprove of i.e. communists."

The overused term is "unbiased" which doesn't mean anything. The closest meaningful word to it is "disinterested" which means that the person conveying the information doesn't particularly care about it.

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Post by hehehaha »

jonathannat wrote: post #169
f430 wrote: post #95

Guo Wengui said back in September 2019 that "Jack Ma would be jailed or killed" on Kyle Bass's youtube channel. [1] At this point its not even a question of whether we will see Jack Ma in public again. Overnight he went from billionaire to peasantry. We've seen dozen cases like this: 1) Billionaire disappears or is "killed" 2) Billionaire's company becomes nationalized 3) Rinse & Repeat Everybody who isn't familiar w…

The era of CCP economic rise is over. Middle income trap and aging demographics dictate as much. CCP will now have to contend with - internal turmoil - political infighting - encirclement by democracies (India, Japan, Australia, US, UK, Canada, France, South Korea, Taiwan). Once Merkel is out in sept 2021, Germany will be onboard - negative sentiment from most of population in the world due to covid - exploding debt/…

I agree with most of these. China is massively underestimating the implications from its widening wealth gap. People in China are not stupid.

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Post by airstrike »

jonathannat wrote: post #242
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #232

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>advanced semiconductor or airplane engine... Not to disagree, but I believe it's just a matter of time. They're working hard in these areas. Also, recent stats I read somewhere say Chinese Ph.D.'s are returning to China in increasing numbers these days, somewhere around 50% or more compared to the old days when the majority stayed in America or Europe.

there's also alot more chinese students studying abroad, compared to the old days. The creme of the crop stays, and the rest goes back.

The "rest" is still significantly better educated than those who never left, which implies they can fuel additional growth in China

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Post by justicezyx »

bosswipe wrote: post #226
hungryhobo wrote: post #219

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So chinese people should just sit down and live low class life. Got it.

You can be aggrieved, blame the west, assign whatever morality you want, it doesn't change the fact that the planet doesn't have enough resources for everyone to live a middle class lifestyle.

LMAO...

Where is the basis of this not enough resources for middle class life style?

Tell me, what is middle class life style anyway? If you are talking about the American consumerism middle class life style, sure, I think most educated people nowadays do not really like that form of life style, or find it actually comfortable.

And even if that's the style everyone wants to. With tech advancement, why cannot everyone afford that, while still keep the environment health and sustainable for human?

Please enlighten me...

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