I want to switch. But how do I migrate (or backup) my existing conversations (including images and videos)?
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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
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#302I was a loyal (and paying) WhatsApp user who would advocate it to anyone I could find. The combination of privacy, features, and ideology was exactly what I wanted in a communication app. Then Facebook bought them for $19B and I knew that, despite any allusions to the contrary, they would want that money back. And you don't get it $5/yr/user.
I switched to Telegram and never looked back.
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#303It has been said that companies that build rely too heavily on the public, free API’s of another service are doomed when that service decides to monetize those API’s. See, for example, API users of Google Maps. I think we are now at the point where this applies to individuals. If a person or group of people rely too heavily on a single free service then they’re going to feel pain when that service finally decides to…
Its worth remembering that whatsapp used to have an annual charge, and it grew successfully with that. The charge was only removed once FB bought them. Personally I don't know anyone that started using whatsapp after the fb purchase, so they were all happy to pay for their use of a messaging app.
Did they have that ever on iOS? I’ve never seen it.
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#304I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
this is wrong way to look at things, switch is never binary. Yes i have whatsapp, but i also have discord, messenger, hangouts, etc. You need to find an angle to attract user for something different and then keep them for everything else.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not just use SMS/iMessage groups ?
Signal is encrypted.
That's why I was there already, along with a few of those friends who used to be part of various WhatsApp groups as well - and they've convinced large groups of pissed off WhatsApp users to download and use Signal today.
I don't know how many of the new Signal users will stay (there's already discussion in one of the new Signal groups about "Why aren't we using Telegram instead?")
Same as much of this thread - these people are not concerned much at all about encryption details, they're largely a pissed of mob of people departing WhatsApp. And some of them are already saying "there's no web client! I can't use this!!!"
I suspect I may well end up back being "the guy who's not part of most group chats" if/when they decide Signal isn't for them... And I'm OK with that.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
$1 a year is super low. YouTube values their ads at approximately $12 a month[0] - FB can’t be much less. (E: 12, not 18. 18 is for families) 0: https://YouTube.com/premium
Few years ago we discussed these numbers on a pretty popular (top 5 of its kind) local pic-and-discussion forum. Devs said that an average user brings around $2 in a year (including those using adblock, etc). I sent them around $8 and they turned off any ads for my account forever. I could just continue using ad blocking, but they made that “hey you’re using” header that annoyed me on mobile, where it is hard to “pic…
Only difference is that we've learned that third-party ad placements are much lower quality and barely worth the ad spend. YouTube ads are highly valuable since they're effectively first-party and will offer high(er) assurances of whether clicks are legitimate. And, as mentioned below, people willing to pay for YT Premium are probably more valuable than the average viewer.
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#307What I don't get is this, there are real-life people working at these companies. What are the managers and developers at Facebook/Whatsapp thinking? Are there hi-fives in the hallways to celebrate the impending win? I have worked on many a project in my time, and I can't think of a single instance where we knowingly screwed over users or clients. Our teams' goals have always been to make the product better. What's go…
Semi-intentional compartmentalization could explain it. Ads: we could increase revenue if we had access to WhatsApp data, but that's Product and Legal's call. Product: Ads asked us to access WhatsApp data, but we're just facilitating between them and Legal. Legal: Ads and Product asked us to change the policy to allow access to WhatsApp data. Nobody being willfully malicious, just not asking certain questions, and th…
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#308I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
How's signal different? It's also in the same position as whatsapp was a few years ago. For the time being it may be better, but surely it is not a long-term alternative?
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its worth remembering that whatsapp used to have an annual charge, and it grew successfully with that. The charge was only removed once FB bought them. Personally I don't know anyone that started using whatsapp after the fb purchase, so they were all happy to pay for their use of a messaging app.
Did they have that ever on iOS? I’ve never seen it.
yes they did
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#310This is some mafia shit. They're holding users data hostage behind a click-through acceptance of their altered terms. You can either pray they don't alter the deal further, or get the fuck out, abandoning your chat history and social connections.
Mafia is more ethical