School or Prison • Hacker News Board

Re: School or Prison

#301

Post by o-__-o » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

jeena wrote: post #271

ineedasername wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, meal times for kids in school are also poorly structured, often dictated by over-crowded facilities that can't hold enough people to let everyone eat at a normal lunch time. My kids' school starts at 8:50 am, but one of them has lunch 11:00 a.m. with 4 hours afterwards during which they can't eat. We let him bring a snack and tell him to let his teacher know his parents gave him permission to eat, and they shoul…

Although it might make sense to do some research about all this snacking all the time. It seems that while in the 50ies people ate 2-3 times a day nowadays its more like 6-8 times a day and we have a huge epidemic of obesity and diabetes. 4 hours without food seems very short, it only would be a problem if the main food source would be fast carbs which let the blood sugar drop very quickly afterwards.

You should eat 6-8 times a day but smaller meals to prevent obesity. You should also avoid carbs in a majority of your meals and added sugars in all meals. Stick to healthy fats and the obesity problem reduces to none.

Obesity comes from ultimately consuming more calories than calories exerted. Your body learns (maybe this is the wrong word) to store fats when there are long periods of time without eating

Re: School or Prison

#302

Post by wisty » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 1:59 AM UTC

throwaway998662 wrote: post #266

As someone who's been to prison and school, lots of comments here sound pretty tone deaf. Prison in the USA is really bad. Yes school is authoritarian, but most popular entertainment on prisons downplays how bad it really gets. Watch some interviews of people who have actually been to prison. Murder and rape is common (I saw it happen), you will get your possessions stolen under the threat of murder/rape, you'll prob…

> it doesn't serve as a deterrent (based on talking to ~50 prisoners about this)

1. Talking to prisoners doesn't mean it's not a deterrent for the rest of the population. This is a massive selection bias, it's like saying diet and exercise doesn't work because morbidly obese people say it doesn't work for them.

2. People sometimes lie (often first to themselves), especially about their motivations. This is like an angry teenager yelling that all their rebellion is because of their parents' rules, it's often a self-serving rationalisation.

3. There's no doubt that the US prison system is a bit weird if you compare it to the rest of the world.

Re: School or Prison

#303

Post by pashabitz » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:01 AM UTC

Are we slave labor for ML data?

Re: School or Prison

#304

Post by mr_toad » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

cyberbanjo wrote: post #4

Is it surprising that the cellular prison, with its regular chronologies, forced labour, its authorities of surveillance and registration, its experts in normality, who continue and multiply the functions of the judge, should have become the modern instrument of penality? Is it surprising that prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals, which all resemble prisons? Michel Foucault

> prisons resemble factories, schools, barracks, hospitals

A lot of palaces, museums, galleries, opera houses, universities and houses of government share the same basic layout. You’d be hard pressed to say what the function of the Palace of Westminster was if you didn’t know. It certainly looks a lot like some schools and universities.

Re: School or Prison

#305

Post by Igelau » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

I only got a 700. My school was rumored to by designed by prison architects, so maybe that's why.

Can I flag the whole thread as off-topic? Geez, HN.

Re: School or Prison

#306

Post by qwtel » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:03 AM UTC

throwaway998662 wrote: post #298

thayne wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a judge who has said the US "corrections" system is not designed to correct criminals and prevent future crimes. It's designed to punish people.

Yeah completely agree that's what it's designed for, but to what end? What goal do we think the punishment achieves? The only useful thing about it IMO is preventing truly dangerous/sick people from interacting with the rest of society. Most prisoners are not that

[flagged]

Re: School or Prison

#307

Post by tolbish » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:06 AM UTC

throwaway998662 wrote: post #266

As someone who's been to prison and school, lots of comments here sound pretty tone deaf. Prison in the USA is really bad. Yes school is authoritarian, but most popular entertainment on prisons downplays how bad it really gets. Watch some interviews of people who have actually been to prison. Murder and rape is common (I saw it happen), you will get your possessions stolen under the threat of murder/rape, you'll prob…

> Why don't we have more outrage against this outdated institution created out of 1600 era values?

Americans with nice lives, particularly the types to frequent HN, are insulated from the effects of our criminal justice system. Concern for schooling takes precedence.

Re: School or Prison

#308

Post by Shorel » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:10 AM UTC

itisit wrote: post #264

WoodenChair wrote: post #258

This reminds me of an essay that Paul Graham wrote that compares schools to prisons: http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html > Public school teachers are in much the same position as prison wardens. Wardens' main concern is to keep the prisoners on the premises. They also need to keep them fed, and as far as possible prevent them from killing one another. Beyond that, they want to have as little to do with the prisoners…

It turns out Paul Graham's experience is his own and not necessarily indicative of a larger trend or phenomenon.

It turns out that Americans' experiences are their own and not necessarily indicative of a larger trend or phenomenon in civilized countries.

We of course, are endlessly subjected to an artistic representation of it in Holywood films.

Re: School or Prison

#309

Post by plutonorm » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:16 AM UTC

qwtel wrote: post #306

throwaway998662 wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah completely agree that's what it's designed for, but to what end? What goal do we think the punishment achieves? The only useful thing about it IMO is preventing truly dangerous/sick people from interacting with the rest of society. Most prisoners are not that

[flagged]

No. It's because we possess empathy.

Re: School or Prison

#310

Post by plutonorm » Sat, Jan 02, 2021, 2:21 AM UTC

ineedasername wrote: post #205

ficklepickle wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a middle ground between passive and aggressive called assertive. That is what one should aim for. The world chews up and spits out good kids. I vowed early on that I wouldn't let anyone shit on me again and it really shaped my early life, not necessarily for the better. I overshot assertive by a decent margin. Fortunately, I eventually settled into a healthy middle ground. I do wonder if there is a method of…

Unfortunately, through much of school "assertive" is interpreted as "aggressive" and punished. I would classify it as assertive if a student, after raising their hand without results for a minute, said they had to go to the bathroom & then got up & went to the bathroom. The teacher on the other hand might decide it was time for a trip to the principal's office & call home to parents because the student caused a disru…

If a teacher did this to my kids I would be outraged. It's bad enough they have to wear a school uniform.