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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by kelchm »

cjdell wrote: post #224
carlmr wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the same boat and debating waiting another year or going for the M1. I really don't like Apple's other policies though.

The plus is Apple hardware has low depreciation so it might worth getting the M1 if you're a dev and appreciate rapid compile times. My webpack build times are less than half the 7700HQ that I was using which makes me way more productive. Also just got a nice Ubuntu VM going last night using vftool. :-)

Absolutely this — I’ve had several MacBooks that ended up costing me less than $150 per year after I upgraded and resold them years later.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by africanboy »

Scarbutt wrote: post #108
kuschku wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M1 also has overclocked memory (by spec, DDR4 only supports 3200MHz), and the 5800X isn't a 700$ CPU, actually it's at 450$ (and it will fall even further soon, I bought a 3900x recently for below 400$).

Still... $450 for the CPU only vs a $999 laptop, for most use cases the apple's MBA offers much more value and will have slower depreciation.

Actually if you buy the 16gb model with the 512GB SSD you'll spend € 1.659,00 in Europe.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by africanboy »

acdha wrote: post #286
mahkeiro wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since when twice as fast is barely?

What are you basing “twice as fast” on? The margins shown are nowhere near that across the board and it took over overclocking a system with 4 times the RAM to produce the most decisive wins. Java is sensitive to memory pressure so just the RAM alone is a significant factor.

I ran those Java benchmarks and they don't seem very good to test CPUs, also they force a GC after every run and used around 4GB of memory (I have 64)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25421028

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Post by africanboy »

ksec wrote: post #267
lr1970 wrote: post #244

Please note that M1 MBP with 16GB of RAM is being compared to Ryzen 5800X machine with 64GB of RAM. GC-driven memory management performance (I am looking at you Java) can tangibly affect the benchmarking results.

Not to mention Java and Go's VM / Runtime ( or in fact most of so called benchmarks ) doesn't have years of optimisation like they were on x86.

AFAIK Azul makes highly optimized openjdk builds for arm and Go had arm support from day one

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Post by eyelidlessness »

matwood wrote: post #258
iseanstevens wrote: post #97

I come away from this way more impressed by the M1 than I was going in. It's a comparison of a ~$700 stock, low end full computer Vs. $700 for high end CPU only. And the high end CPU has overclocking tweaks enabled, and overclocked memory. The M1 generally keeps up quite well, which blows my mind. The power use difference Is pretty big as well. Yeah, it would be great if Apple was totally open source. But this is goi…

I got an M1 MBA to use until the real pro machines come out. It's much faster than the 2017 MBP it replaced, and does it while staying completely silent. The no fan noise is uncanny...sort of like a 'is this thing working?'. Not scientific at all, but one of my large java app test suites takes ~7 minutes to run on my 2017 MPB and ~3 minutes to run on the M1 MBA using the Azul ARM build. I can't wait for the 16" MBP w…

Worth noting that the M1 MBA doesn’t have a fan at all, noise-making or otherwise. But the M1 MBP has been similarly described as fan silent, even with its fans running.

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Post by sliken »

jsjohnst wrote: post #282
sliken wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at the laptop market lately? AMD has had quite a few design wins. Brands like Lenovo (including the Thinkpad, flex, and legion), HP (pavilion), Dell (including inspiron, gaming, and Alienware lines), Asus (Studiobooks, zenbooks, TUF, and ROG), Acer Aspire, and MSI, and the Microsoft Surface. I wouldn't call all of those "niche". AMD has made a surprisingly quick move from the bargain basement laptops…

> AMD has made a surprisingly quick move from the bargain basement laptops I specifically called out niche as not a negative term for this reason. I didn’t mean to imply bargain basement, but more that high end processors like this would only be included on a few models. Things like gaming or developer focused machines vs something built for a wider audience (like the current M1 machines are). > So I'm comparing lapt…

Possible, and I've seen similar. Just seeing a surprisingly wide number of announcements, leaks, and multiple brands with multiple different Zen3 APUs.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by sgerenser »

bserge wrote: post #227
darthrupert wrote: post #141

To summarise: Top-of-the-line desktop computer barely beats an ultraslim passively cooled laptop.

It was a Mac Mini, but yeah, I can't find it in the article, did the tests account for cooling? I assume the M1, like any other modern SoC, will throttle as the temperature goes higher.

M1 will not throttle in the Mac mini, only in the fanless MacBook Air.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by sliken »

jsjohnst wrote: post #282
sliken wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you looked at the laptop market lately? AMD has had quite a few design wins. Brands like Lenovo (including the Thinkpad, flex, and legion), HP (pavilion), Dell (including inspiron, gaming, and Alienware lines), Asus (Studiobooks, zenbooks, TUF, and ROG), Acer Aspire, and MSI, and the Microsoft Surface. I wouldn't call all of those "niche". AMD has made a surprisingly quick move from the bargain basement laptops…

> AMD has made a surprisingly quick move from the bargain basement laptops I specifically called out niche as not a negative term for this reason. I didn’t mean to imply bargain basement, but more that high end processors like this would only be included on a few models. Things like gaming or developer focused machines vs something built for a wider audience (like the current M1 machines are). > So I'm comparing lapt…

Wow, lucky. I needed to arrange for some family travel on short notice and wanted a MBP (13", 16GB ram, 1tb storage). Current delivery times start on Jan 21st.

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Post by secmask »

andrewmackrodt wrote: post #231
nessex wrote: post #121

The most impressive part to me is how the m1 compares to the 3900X. I’ve got a mere 3600X and every laptop I owned or worked on over the past year is noticeably and painfully slower than the 3600X. It’s been a relief to get home and turn on my desktop. It doesn’t matter if the laptops I’m using are very recent i7’s and i9’s, the desktop is always very noticeably faster. I got my m1 MacBook Pro 16GB yesterday and was…

I don't have an m1 yet but have a similar experience with laptops performing extremely poorly compared to desktops (to be expected) but also poorly compared to my older Apple MacBooks. I have a 2015 13" MBP that will perform a compilation task quicker than my 2019 XPS. The much older CPU in the MBP has a much faster base clock of 2.4GHz vs 1.3GHz in the XPS. What I find frustrating is that the XPS will throttle down…

> Linux also has annoying bugs where the CPU will limit itself to base clock when connected to AC but then turbo up to 4.1GHz when the AC is unplugged, baffling

I had got same issue with my dell before, it caused by trouble with charger(I have replaced it 3 times). I actually get a lot of power issue with dell laptop, my an other dell can't fall to deep sleep. I won't pick a dell anymore >:< .

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by alex0ptr »

I think a lot of commenters ar forgetting another fact about the M1: It also offers low power cores, neural engine, a GPU and RAM all on a single die. Therefore die sizing comparisons to most desktop class cpus make little sense and money comparisons too. (Of course the article was about something different, I’m referring to the comments)
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