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I have a Dell XPS 9500 (the 2020 model) with an nVidia driver. I run PopOS! as my daily driver and it works with the GPU just fine.
Can it run sway?
Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#302No, I wouldn't, not even if I could print billions in a snap. I'd rather help funding the port to a 10 times slower but open platform, rather to a technically superior but proprietary close one whose owner would make it incompatible two seconds after they would smell competition from Linux in any of their core business fields. No thanks, I'll send my small quid to whomever appears to be really in favor of openness, n…
> I'll send my small quid to whomever appears to be really in favor of openness That would be these guys then: https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-unmatched
https://mntre.com/media/reform_md/2020-05-08-the-much-more-p...
Edit: and here I was, thinking a smiley would clarify things. For the record, I'm of course not arguing against supporting sifive. I just think that in the context of this thread, what MNT are doing is much more directly comparable to porting Linux to M1
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#303Most of the solutions in this thread are simply not viable. Stuff like the Pinebook and Raspberry Pi are several magnitudes away from Apple's M1 SoC. No amount of hackerish imitation will bridge that gap, the laws of physics are not kind to consumer product hardware hackers. It is very obvious that most of the people commenting here has never held a soldering iron, nor taken a single computer architecture class. The…
If the M1 is a close derivative architecture of high efficiency mobile scaled to desktop, would scaled up Android processors really be that far away from M1? I know Apple A-series had some edge over Snapdragons, but was the gap between Android processors that big? There are many hundred billion dollar companies motivated to close the gap. It may not be this year.
Absolutely
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes MacOS good?
Generally good design and user-centered design (but that's being eroded with every new release) along with attention to detail. Small examples: you can scroll a window without having to click on it to make it active, applications don't refer to files using paths but file ids instead so you can generally move files around a disk while they are open without things breaking.
I believe (if I understand what you mean correctly) that the file system behaviour is also a Linux thing. Deleting a file that is open is completely fine in Linux.
I think UX between the three OSs is almost completely a matter of habit and familiarity these days. I for one can't see how anyone can be productive with the (what I believe is abysmal) window management on a Mac but millions of people like it so I'd probably get used to it if I wanted to.
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#305Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
You do know there is a version of Windows for ARM64 already, right? You do know that there's no software available for it, right? Without software, arm64 Windows is not a viable operating system for an arm64 laptop. ARM Windows is as relevant as MIPS Windows or Itanium Windows without the huge ecosystem of software you get on x86. And who goes bankrupt first to build this platform? Is it the laptops makers who lose m…
There is plenty of linux software that runs on arm64 though. Even if windows remains the dominant deaktop OS, there is certainly a niche for developers and other who would want to run linux on a high-performance arm64 laptop. And then there is chrome OS.
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#307I think if you want a laptop to run Linux then you should just buy a laptop that comes with Linux. There are some pretty good options out there today (Dell XPS Dev Edition, ThinkPad, System 76, etc.) that you can buy from the manufacturer with Linux. Trying to take a laptop designed for macOS and turn it into a Linux laptop is going to be a painful and frustrating experience. It's like buying a Tesla and trying to pu…
The only reason those Linux laptops exist is because thousands of engineers (mostly volunteers but also commercial vendors like RedHat) improved Linux hardware support to the point commerical system integrators like Dell and System76 could select components well-supported by Linux to make the Linux laptops. Hypothetically if one-day the performance gap between Apple's chips and the rest of the industry cannot be igno…
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
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Whenever I use the CLI on a mac, I am frustrated by the absense of all the GNU extensions that aren't there when I use the core utilities, and that the version of bash is ancient . I mean I still prefer it over windows, but it is not the same experience as linux.
The last time I used a Mac I remember the absolute headfuck that was all the different ways to make it "more unixy" "Oh just use Macports!" "No macports is trash, use Homebrew!" "Homebrew sucks, use Gentoo/kMacOSX!" Of course none of them were particularly interoperable at the time and all had extremely arcane invocations and setups. It was very lipstick on a pig
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes MacOS good?
Generally good design and user-centered design (but that's being eroded with every new release) along with attention to detail. Small examples: you can scroll a window without having to click on it to make it active, applications don't refer to files using paths but file ids instead so you can generally move files around a disk while they are open without things breaking.
This works on Windows, and most sane Linux DEs are either default to that or can be configured to do that.
> applications don't refer to files using paths but file ids instead so you can generally move files around a disk while they are open without things breaking.
Do you mean they hold an opening fd of the file, which is also not special at all? Otherwise it is pretty interesting, please elaborate.
Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?
#310No, because it is already a unix OS. I imagine this is unpopular in HN, but what matters to me is just running on a good solid unix. I don't really care if it is a unix or Linux. What I want is shell scripting, pipes, forks, make, python, awk, grep, find, du, df, etc... Most anything that doesn't come pre-installed can be built from source. This wasn't true in the early days of OS X, but now the only things I find th…
- modifier keys varied by application (was it alt-shift-left, CMD-shift or ctrl-shift-left I should use to select one word back in this app..?)
- CMD-tab only switching between applications is probably nice if you have good time to ponder your next move. When I only want to go back to whatever application-or-window I came from and I end up a completely different place because the last place I were was another window of the same application it breaks my flow and it is infuriating.
So yes. I'd very much want a Linux distro on it.