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Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by apta »

tutfbhuf wrote: post #128
gibolt wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These insights are a snapshot, not a trend line. Java can be in rapid decline and still be at the top of the list. Changing acceleration, not position, is how you make a comeback. Java is currently losing Android devs to Kotlin. That could cause a precipitous drop in direct usage in the coming years.

And in the cloud native world everything is on the Go track. Java were huge for big enterprise monoliths, but it seems like this is not what we are heading for in the future.

There is work being done for native (AOT) Java deployments.

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by wolco2 »

loeg wrote: post #103
wolco2 wrote: post #69

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In fairness the one using Rust has fallen apart on my windows 7 machine since the rewrite. It would be unfair to blame rust. But that example doesn't provide confidence that switching from c would be a great idea.

I think it's weird to blame Rust for that. I don't want to rush to blame Windows 7, but do consider that Windows 7 is massively EOL ( 2015 ; extended support also ended early this year) and I would not fault Mozilla for not doing any testing on that platform anymore. I don't think this has much, or anything, to do with Rust.

Rust is new.. the os software is older than the language itself and eol. Not surprised it wouldn't be tested or supported

Because of that I have less confidence rust will work better or improve my experience. So rewriting everything in rust worries me. It is an anti-selling point.

If a language is living in the now and targeting the future it might not be the best for those living in the past.

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by intricatedetail »

oxymoron wrote: post #281
intricatedetail wrote: post #264

They should pay contributors few millions of dollars each. If they benefited from it they should give meaningful reward. Mouthful words won't suddenly change you from being simply a leech.

They have hired people who will be working specifically on rust. Just the names listed in the article amounts to millions of dollars invested yearly.

But that should be millions per developer. Maybe developers should lobby RIAA, so that companies like Amazon would have to pay royalties for every line of code used. You know they make billions of off that work and yet some developers can't afford even their own place to live. This exploitation must end!

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

falcolas wrote: post #232
k__ wrote: post #214

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Most of the time, it's about people wanting to make rude remarks and less about them saying "anything remotely uncomplementary about Rust" .

A mature community's response to trolling is not "dogpile on them until they realize they're wrong", and is instead "ignore the troll".

Downvotes are "ignore the troll". Their whole purpose is to hide comments that don't substantively contribute to the discussion.

Replies are (or at least can be) "dogpile on them until they realize they're wrong".

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by anw »

johnnycerberus wrote: post #60
stagger87 wrote: post #45

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There will be people who downvote you because... - You are hijacking a top comment to insert your off-topic opinion. - You appear to be more territorial than presenting some sort of argument. - You are overly negative and somewhat dismissive/disrespectful. - You are commenting on downvotes, which is generally frowned upon

My comment in on point, not off-topic. I had no intention to "hijack" the top comment, didn't even think about that until I've seen your comment. I don't see Rust as a replacement for Java and I also pointed out that Rust has to win the mindshare of C++ programmers first, before even reaching other ecosystems. Rust is mainly a replacement for C++.

> I also pointed out that Rust has to win the mindshare of C++ programmers first, before even reaching other ecosystems

C++ is just a tool, as is Rust. Rust does not need to win the mindshare of C++ programmers first to become successful. It only needs to itself as a viable alternative in whatever fields people find it useful. I believe it has.

Between WASM, embedded, and even Web development, I see a lot of "mindshare" being attracted to Rust.

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by abenga »

mr_toad wrote: post #299
johnnycerberus wrote: post #148

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Firecracker and Bottlerocket are fine pieces of engineering. If Rust wants to get a share of the pie when it comes to data engineering, then it needs to have at least a killer app with an ecosystem around it. We can talk all day and all night for why some languages are more successful than others but it seems like ecosystems are giving them a boost. Hopefully, Rust will be the language for microVMs and kernel-level m…

> it needs to have at least a killer app with an ecosystem around it Give it 20 years and I can see it doing to Python what Python did to R.

I can't absolutely say that this won't happen, but given Rust's focus on writing "correct" code, e.g. the borrow checker, etc, it's really unlikely given that one of the largest areas where Python and R shine is in exploratory data analysis. I can't imagine trying to play around with unstructured exploration of a data set in Rust's (totally reasonable) syntactic verbosity, correctness straitjackets, and compilation time.

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by edgyquant »

germansm wrote: post #260
qppo wrote: post #183

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I'm not sure who "the big players" are in your book but the largest software engineering organizations in the world are already using Rust. The post is about one of them committing their resources to the project itself. Caution doesn't make money, it just prevents losing as much money. When it comes to technology if you're waiting for everyone else to validate an idea, you're too late.

"...the largest software engineering organizations in the world are already using Rust ...", and also for a long long time have been using Java, JavaScript, SQL, and much more programming languages. ¿It's only about new (and better) ways to develop software or can also be 'cool' to interfere in the evolution of the programming language that you plan to use for the next years ? I 'm not against to use Rust or any othe…

No not at all but even if that we’re the case fb taking an interest spurred PHP from a legacy language back into a living language that’s growing in features.

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by Ygg2 »

pwinnski wrote: post #278
itwy wrote: post #270

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That's a DSL, not a programming language.

What, pray tell, do you think the "L" in "DSL" represents?

Same as "L" in "HTML". Does that make XML a programming language?

My point is - DSL and programming language can overlap. However they don't have to.

Re: Why AWS loves Rust, and how we’d like to help

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Post by sitkack »

rossmohax wrote: post #132

Twitter previously invested in Scala, which significantly contributed to it's adoption outside of relatively small community back then. Another part of success was Spark. It looks like Rust gains bigcorp support, all we need now is a killer product written in it to kick off explosive growth.

Interviewing for a FAANG job in Rust.
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