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Post by nemothekid »

Covzire wrote: post #100

Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left. Controlling "disinformation" is a dog whistle for censorship, hoping that average citizens don't realize what they're really after. We all know who is going to be the moderators in flagging "disinformation" and we all know which ideology they overwhelmingly favor. I'd sooner trust a pyromaniac as fire chief of my local county than I wou…

disinformation is a dog whistle for censorship, but fake news is...?

Censorship for thee but not for me.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by Rebelgecko »

spamizbad wrote: post #275

The interview with the repair shop owner is also reduces this story’s already dwindling credibility: https://www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-reportedly-gave-hunter...

IMO it's relevant that twitter is blocking the story due to their rules about releasing hacked material, not misinformation. If the hard drive is a hoax, I think it's important to have an open discussion to shine a light on it. Banning the article in a way that appears to validate its claims will only embolden claims of a conspiracy.

I think it's also interesting that the "hacking" ban doesn't have an exemption for the press. Even though the NY Post is fairly partisan even by tabloid standards,it seems like a double standard if I can still link to an NY Times article containing information about classified government activities that were revealed via hacking

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Post by dexen »

mullingitover wrote: post #229
michannne wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We live in a country where we have elected officials and laws to deal with individuals and organizations that undermine our democracy. I don't need some random collective of people headquarted in a random state to decide those things for me.

Conservatives: we don't need the government censoring things! Trust the free market Free market: censors things Conservatives: no, not like that

>Free market: censors things

Literally the opposite of the case. Due to the power of Section 230, the online platforms are shielded from the normal liability, which gives them an inherent advantage. Section 230 distorts the market, making it non-free.

See also: the excellent "Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attributes of monopoly"[1] story from earlier on today.

Moreover, the Section 230 was specifically created to distort the market, to help kickstart the online communications and commerce, by giving it an edge over the other businesses. Now that it has done its job, we can revoke the Section 230, and return to actual free market. Where a tortious interference would be sorted out by a lawsuit.

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[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24771470

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Post by evan_ »

paganel wrote: post #197
Hamuko wrote: post #23

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Is it? Because the factuality of the story seems like a pretty big deal here. If it's completely bogus, how is it different from any of those Russian trollfarm posts that the US government was worried about?

> Because the factuality of the story seems like a pretty big deal here. WMD were non-factual, but even so nobody got censored back then (worse, nobody went to prison for going to war on non-factual information).

I’m not sure what you’re arguing for. If we had ignored everyone claiming there were WMDs then a million people would still be alive, not to mention the trillions of dollars saved.

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Post by AndriyKunitsyn »

likeafox wrote: post #109
throwawa3495 wrote: post #14

weird that there is actually no mention of these materials being hacked from anywhere though, or did I miss that? It seems like this computer shop fellow voluntarily gave over this hard drive only after the computer in question became his property (as a result of someone not collecting the computer and not paying the bill) LOL now this post has been flagged wtfff

>It seems like this computer shop fellow voluntarily gave over this hard drive only after the computer in question became his property (as a result of someone not collecting the computer and not paying the bill) To say this strains credulity would be be a massive understatement.

No. People leave their computers in repair shops for good all the time.

There are other red flags in the NY Post article (like, why wouldn't they just post e-mails with DKIMs), but this part is totally believable to me.

Re: Facebook, Twitter block the NY Post from posting

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Post by googthrowaway42 »

Zpalmtree wrote: post #180
whateveracct wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is full of unwitting Trump/conspiracy theory enablers with their high-minded bottomless "benefit of the doubt" schtick.

yesss please tell me what to believe twitter

This is actually how these people think. They are like children wanting to be protected and guided by adults.

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Post by _jal »

riffic wrote: post #283
Solvitieg wrote: post #255

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Even if you opt-out from Twitter, etc. Your political leaders and journalists are tuned in. Thus your life is still affected.

that's precisely why I think journalists and the public sector ought to put their money where their mouth is. Open web standards can be adopted today with the effect of turning any of these groups into their own Twitter. That particular genie is impossible to push back into its own bottle. They had better catch up or get left behind. The audience will follow. Trust me, I know audiences move around. They've moved arou…

Never going to happen. Journalists and politicians couldn't care less about open web standards. They care about where the audience is.

Many pols actually prefer single points of, ah, influence, so they're going to fight you.

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Post by young_unixer »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #8

Whatever your perspective, directly verifiable censorship like this is just begging for legal trouble and monopoly investigations. Tactically speaking, I would say this is a massive mistake from Twitter.

They've been doing this for years and they are mostly defended by the HN crowd everytime a story of censorship comes out.

Did everyone suddenly turn into a free speech nut this morning?

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Post by dilap »

fernandotakai wrote: post #256
dilap wrote: post #15

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Yeah, I just tried it, I got: > We can't complete this request because this link has been identified by Twitter or our partners as being potentially harmful. Visit our Help Center to learn more. NPR reporter: > From Twitter spox: "In line with our Hacked Materials Policy, as well as our approach to blocking URLs, we are taking action to block any links to or images of the material in question on Twitter." https://twi…

>> From Twitter spox: "In line with our Hacked Materials Policy, as well as our approach to blocking URLs, we are taking action to block any links to or images of the material in question on Twitter." that's a huge lie. the brazilian version of the intercept got actual hacked info from federal judges/prosecutor's cellphones and twitter did absolutely nothing -- hell, it was on our trending topics for weeks (search fo…

Yes, I agree. Twitter is clearly acting politically here; a consistent application of these rules would prohibit linking to the Trump's leaked tax-returns, among many, many other things.

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Post by hnshooray »

Covzire wrote: post #100

Let's be honest, the only people screaming for censorship are firmly on the left. Controlling "disinformation" is a dog whistle for censorship, hoping that average citizens don't realize what they're really after. We all know who is going to be the moderators in flagging "disinformation" and we all know which ideology they overwhelmingly favor. I'd sooner trust a pyromaniac as fire chief of my local county than I wou…

Please. Your nutjob president is screaming nonstop about “fake news”.

It ain’t people on the left who are uncomfortable with truth. It’s the entire Republican Party.

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