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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya are christianized long back. But Many media doesn't cover it, but Evangelism very high, in north-eastern states, almost 70% of the population became Christians. I'm all in, if people with their knowledge want to take Christianity. But de-generation of native faiths, Money, ... and other facilities for conversion are being provided. https://swarajyamag.com/culture/how-northeast-india-wa…

Well I grew up in the Northeast ('80s). One thing I can assert that these missionaries treated the population a lot more respect than the (for the lack of a better word) folks from mainland India. The common attitude towards Northeast people by my fellow countrymen was that of utter contempt to the point of treating them as inferior beings. Sure the missionaries had an agenda. But given my options as an hypothetical…

Not everyone feels that way, at the end of the day Christians in India may feel special because they are "minority".

I have heard this from an India Christian family settled in Europe, their "christian identity" is not significant and they face all the 'othering' in their churches.

They were considering moving back to their Hindu roots as it gave them some identity.

As for the Christian benevolence, they lost thousands of ships before they found their way to a wealthy India. And when they left India was so impoverished that Indians were shipped off to remote plantations to "compensate" the white plantation owners after the slavery abolition.

The church encroached upon and accumulated so much land and wealth during the colonial era that they have not returned back to the communities or government and in many cases temple lands are under the control of the church.

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As per my knowledge goes, All foreign funded organisations, under so called NGO's name should be completely under scan. These NGO's are not helping people, what they are doing is propaganda, support terrosits, conversions. Christian missionaries conversions are so rampant in India, Most of north-east is converted, punjab, tamil-nadu, andhra Pradesh, Kerala, are in-line for huge demographics change. If this is not eno…

Re. conversion - nilsocket, do you believe that every individual has agency in choosing their religion? Or do you believe that these choices should be made for them by “those that know better”? An analogy, do you think that your occupation should be something you can choose? Or should that choice be made for you by “those that know better”? If the conversion is “forced” or “fake”, nothing changes on the ground anyway…

I have no problem with sex, and if people really want it they pay for it, it is then called prostitution.

I do not have a problem with sex or prostitution. But we all know where it would lead - drugs, gun violence, sex trafficking, child trafficking, mafia, money laundering, government corruption/blackmail.

The certain organised religion/s have the same problem, imagine a neighbourhood mafia backed by a trillion dollar international conglomerate.

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I am very glad foreign funded vested interest groups working as NGOs like Amnesty International is leaving India for good. NGOs like Amnesty and Greenpeace has been involved in shady work in many places in India, including religious conversion and paid protests in remote villages. Hindus being a global minority need to be cautious and are worried about such conversion activities. Indian govt has been asking NGOs to c…

Some of these mines that have been stopped for environmental concerns ship ore to foreign countries at peanut rates, literally a few rupees per ton. These are made into products that are then imported into India. If you really think that the way out of poverty is by selling raw ore and irreparably damaging environment, which by the way is a genuine wealth of the country, then you have either not thought it through or…

I do not remember going out to vote for the ICJ.

"International" includes theocratic & communist dictatorships.

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I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.

Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right? That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.

Islam as with Christianity was a one man, one book affair from the relatively recent time.

The older traditions much of which do not exist thanks to the two above religions, were timeless and pluralistic.

Hinduism has no known history and is assumed to be evolved through the ages, like food or music - Hinduism is unbounded and untethered.

Islam in Pakistan or Kashmir specifically has ethnically cleansed almost all non-muslims, imposes urdu at the cost of local languages and culture, and is now targeting smaller denominations as not being Islamic enough.

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I didn't say that :-) I was commenting on the use of nativism by a politician whose grandfather was an immigrant. Though over time some groups formerly seen as undesirables become honoury whites Irish German Catholics etc. It wasn't that long ago that having a catholic president Kennedy was seen as problematic

Sure, but how is it ironic? That is what I'm trying to figure out.

irony "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result."

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I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.

This is a false argument. Muslims were majority in Kashmir before the exodus of Hindus. Your wiki link states that 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus left Kashmir due to the targeted violence. Muslims were in majority even if you include a Hindu majority Jammu. ( https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/share-of-muslims... ) The reason of the violence against Hindus is the Indian government's desire to fully integrate Kash…

Muslims first came into Kashmir as refugees when they were fleeing the caliphate.

Muslims got Pakistan and were through in ethnically cleansing the country.

Kashmir & Pakistan is a lesson for the rest of the world, particularly Europe on why Muslims can not be trusted.

Where they are in majority, they have no problem carrying out genocides and ethnic cleansing. When they are in simple minority they carry out riots and secession. When they are in small minority they cry "Islamaphobia" and want minority privileges.

This above seems to be universal and is said to be inline with their teachings.

Sadly a soft government has proved time and again its inability to protect its citizens from Islamic genocide.

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Not discounting the negative effects of the nationalism, but I don't think caste system is behind the current rise of nationalism. The prime minister himself is from the lower caste.

Would it surprise you to hear that there are many women in India who support for existing misogynistic aspects of traditional culture? It's hard for people to understand how deeply woven caste-based motivations are in Indian society. At a large scale it may seem like some globally stratified layer cake. On the ground, it devolves into regional tribes. The "caste associations" rural people associate themselves with in…

I agree with you on all the points except the last and in no way I am saying the there are no caste based discrimination in India. In fact caste based discrimination and the effects of it is one of the main reasons of India being "developing country" forever, I think. My point is that the current rise of nationalism is not because of the caste system, but rather in spite of it. I see many people from lower caste(including my relatives) being active in the local rightwing politics and RSS.

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Isn't that the responsibility of the state-govt to ensure that people are educated? What is central-govt doing to "DENY" education and that based on "caste" ? I still didn't find any evidence.

The idea of the new policy of introducing public exams for the 5th and 8th grade is to discourage students to go to school. Once the govt school has the exams they are forced to fail few percentage of the students and very likely they will discontinue the school. This is the reason in the past till 9th students were promoted in tamilnadu which has the highest college goers because the students who were not performing…

Holy moly.

You are grasping at straws here.

Exam is not a discouragement. Its rather a test of progress.

TN has been plaguing with higher dropout rates for a while.

>Forced to fail

Seriously ???

Expecting students to pass a standard test is not denying education. If students fail the tests, they FAIL. That is the purpose. Its not the responsibility of the govt to be "PASS" the student. Rather its the responsibility of the govt to provide education institutional access. What is the point of letting students PASS if they cant even do basic math and communicate.

Unskilled graduates is one of the highest ranked problem that the govt is facing in getting them employed.

And I don't know why even without providing any shred of evidence you keep bring Veda,Caste and Hindutva into discussion into Educational Policy.

What is your point here?

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You asked for one famous example and now that I gave one, you are bickering about how its not from the present. How miserable is that? There also examples of media censoring in UK when truth of Islamic conversion was discussed. UK is headed for downright destruction as it has started to censoring the truth. Another example is Henry Kissinger calling the entire Indian race as "scavengers" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/n…

I was the one who asked. And yes, when you described the media as "woke" I assumed you meant recent media. And your original argument gave no mention of a historical context, instead you spoke in current tense.

My consciousness is in the present. But it cannot afford to forget the past. Only if we understand historical mistakes and misconducts, one will be able to correct themselves and move forward.

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Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right? That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.

Islam as with Christianity was a one man, one book affair from the relatively recent time. The older traditions much of which do not exist thanks to the two above religions, were timeless and pluralistic. Hinduism has no known history and is assumed to be evolved through the ages, like food or music - Hinduism is unbounded and untethered. Islam in Pakistan or Kashmir specifically has ethnically cleansed almost all no…

No, Islam is an evolutionary offshoot of Christianity. Christianity is an evolutionary offshoot of Judaism. Judaism in incorporated many aspects of Zoroastrianism.

If you're going to make some claim that Hinduism has no discernible stages that can be tracked anthropologically over history that we can look to, that would make it unique among human inventions and beliefs. Such an extraordinary claim needs strong evidence to be accepted.

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