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Probably Xbox is the closest.
Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
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#302I think it's a clever play. It would help address the spyware concern by moving it to a US company, and give them a better foothold in Social Networking than Linked-in provides. I'd have a few concerns about if MS can keep it growing- For one, I worry that Microsoft may mismanage it, similar to how they treated Skype. We saw Yahoo buy many reasonable smaller social networks (Flickr, Delicious, Tumblr) and was never a…
>It would help address the spyware concern by moving it to a US company
it might help for some people
Personally, i'm a little bit concerned that microsoft just received a $10bn DOD contract, and now the US government is essentially forcing a sale of TikTok to Microsoft. I'm not convinced that the company running the hot new social network (as well as all our source code) owing a bunch of favours to the US govermnent is really any better than it being subject to the Chinese government.
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#303If the US forced ByteDance to sell Tiktok, the US would lose its last bit of moral high ground in China, the spirit of free market and rule by law. If you are worried about data leakage to China, you set rules and law and enforce them. That is what China is doing. They asked Apple and other cloud service provider to store data in China. The US could setup clear rules and regulations about where to put data of US user…
I was going to make a similar comment, but I think your comment is a little exaggerated. Freedom of speech is still differentiates the US and China.
I am not exaggerating about the US losing it credibility in China.
The US was really the shining city on the hill before 2008 financial crisis. I personally was huge admirer of the US system. I even spent about 1 year in DC just to study the political system of the US.
Before the 2008 financial crisis, China tried to copy everything from the US, from finanical market regulations to education system and to some degree, political system reform. There was a period when academics and even some very senior CCP members called for small government, separation of party and administrative system, and they even used the term 'put power into cages'.
The 2008 financial crisis that started in the US made China's elites within the party and outside of the party think hard if the US system is really the answer. Trump administration, the handling of covid-19 and the BLM protests further changed the view towards the US and made it impossible for those friendly with the US to promote the US value system in China now.
Tiktok is considered a national pride because it thrives by open competition in the US and the world. This act of forced selling without a due process for Tiktok to defend itself from accusation of spying for China would absolutely be another huge blow to the credibility of the US in China.
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#304This looks like such a mismatch. Also, does it make sense to pay the rumoured $50 billion for a company with no moat? Even US revenue expectations for this year were $0.5 billion.
trump's executive order should lower the price...
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#305Is there any precedent for Microsoft operating a cutting edge consumer software product like TikTok? Welcome to Skype LinkedIn TikTok. We've make networking fun.
Minecraft?
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Does anyone else remember when housing data in US severs was considered less private than alternatives? Right now much of Europe considers storing data in the US to be less private than hosting it locally. The US is certainly not in the same category as Russia or China, but it's not great either.
Canada too.
Even so, Canadians trust Americans far more than the Chinese. If they move everything over then it may stop mass bans across the West.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#307If the US forced ByteDance to sell Tiktok, the US would lose its last bit of moral high ground in China, the spirit of free market and rule by law. If you are worried about data leakage to China, you set rules and law and enforce them. That is what China is doing. They asked Apple and other cloud service provider to store data in China. The US could setup clear rules and regulations about where to put data of US user…
> US would lose its last bit of moral high ground in China, the spirit of free market and rule by law. No it won't change a thing. And to be fair, forcing a sell (which is just forcing it to exit all stakes in the US market) is a far cleaner move than trying to end the company globally like it's doing for Huawei. > This act is pure bullying and imperialism. This is nothing compared to overthrowing Iran's democratic g…
> helping the despot build 23 nuclear power plants
Iran has one nuclear power plant, and it opened in 2011. It was built mostly by the Russians.
Re: Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US operations
#308How would this work? Splitting off US users would probably result in that part slowly dying because the non US part will / is going to be larger? Will US users be blocked from the non US TikTok?
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, people grew out of Friendster and MySpace too, until Facebook turned out to be the one they didn't grow out of. Nobody knows, but it's worth a gamble.
Facebook is getting grown out of. The younger ones hardly see FB as the hip thing. And, FB has morphed into more than just a way to meet friends. It has become the town square for the village idiot to shout at the top of his lungs as to how UFOs are implanting DNA into the cattle.
I think Facebook has gained an almost utility-like status among the general population. Sure, you might not be on it as much as you used to be a decade ago, but most people still consider having an account on it as useful. Facebook really saved itself by having a thriving Marketplace and various local groups. There's also many entertainment/meme pages, but there's plenty of competition for those.
I myself hardly ever log in to my account and haven't even posted anything on my "wall" (remember when that used to be term?) in nearly a decade, but I still find myself visiting the Marketplace whenever I need to occasionally buy/sell something or find a new apartment.
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#310Hopefully it will be rebranded MikMok or ZuneZok. This seems like a dumb move, why would MS want to get tied up in the horrors of social media when they have such a profitable empire. They couldn’t possibly tie in MicMok to Office 365 and have anything good come from it.
To phase out TikTok usernames/handles and force users to move to Live/Outlook emails e.g tiktok-user@outlook.com. Then sit back and gleefully marvel at their own accomplishment.