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Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by dredmorbius »

ZinniaZirconium wrote: post #61
dredmorbius wrote: post #32

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That's both tired and inaccurate. DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and n…

See they admit your search results are most commonly from Bing. It’s really obvious when Bing, Duck, Ecosia all return the same results.

Largely from != "a front-end for Bing" (with merely being strongly implied).

In addition to additional privacy and Instant answers content, DDG seems to source other Web search for SERP, including operating its own bot, DuckDuckBot.

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/du...

The problem with your response above is that it is inaccurate, fails to acknowledge real value-add features[1] of DDG, as well as being dismissive and stale as originally noted.

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1. I've addressed these numerous times, though quality, relevance, presentation, JS-free version, bash-function invocability, and additiinal features with time, as well as simply Not Being Google, are all major factors. Sampling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22506360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17430474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22506360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21623573 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20405146

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by ricardo81 »

untoreh wrote: post #295
thatguy0900 wrote: post #293

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Their info boxes are all scraped from other sites, would they still be able to legally scrape sites and display them like that without giving any links to actually follow?

the data that google shows from websites is provided by websites as structured markup, websites started providing this with the expectation that it would provide better ranking. Nowadays, however, google could probably just render the same thing thorugh nlp without any additional hints from the sourced pages

Not all of it is structured. I've seen numerous examples where the structure is inferred from HTML markup, i.e. not so structured.

I get your point about structured data laying it out on a plate, so to speak.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by Kiro »

dredmorbius wrote: post #299
pb7 wrote: post #87

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No, this answer is tired and inaccurate. They successfully fool you into thinking they are much more complex than they really are. They use Bing and Bing alone for the SERP links (without this, you don’t have a search engine) and their crawlers fill in the handful of “onebox” results for certain queries. They keep changing this statement but it used to say “multiple sources like Bing, Yahoo, Oath”... all of which are…

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/du...

Only used for Instant Answers and widgets, as confirmed by your quote. All the actual search results are basically all Bing, again confirmed by the same quote from DDG themselves.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by rmc »

aftbit wrote: post #243

A bit OT: can anyone recommend a good web-based OpenStreetMaps viewer with support for toggling multiple layers (e.g. topo, streets, satellite, political boundaries) and decent measuring tools?

There's a few MapCompare instances for showing many different maps: https://mc.bbbike.org/mc/

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by alickz »

umaar wrote: post #108
umaar wrote: post #92

Generally, I like the 'rich snippets' feature, but I think they've gotten worse. For example here's a reddit post I made from 6 years ago showcasing a search for 'mac shortcut screenshot' https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/1ou4i0/a_search_for... It's extremely clear, and results in minimal cognitive effort in parsing the result. Here's the result now: https://i.imgur.com/A726Dhw.png There's so much more cruft:…

Turns out Google has been doing this for my own site on certain pages. If I search for: devtools capture element screenshot It has listed the exact instructions on the search results page: https://i.imgur.com/NTdDjZY.png Can I get an outsider perspective, are those 4 list items shown in the rich snippet too many? Is it too wordy? I'm wondering if a single item which said: Search for screenshot in the Command Menu (Cm…

I think it's fine. I'm not a webdev but I could follow your current instructions easily. I would definitely consider your instructions a good result if I was looking for the answer.

Although I prefer the second (wordier) example in OPs case anyway.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by glandium »

kilburn wrote: post #266
reaperducer wrote: post #193

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I had to use a reCAPTCHA on a government web site last week, and Google's stupid AI refused to accept that a picture of a wheelchair is not a bicycle. They both have spokes, so I must be a bot. Note to self: Never get in a vehicle steered by Google AI.

It gets even funnier for non-english speakers. ReCaptcha gets translated to your language, and sometimes it doesn't make sense. For instance, let's say that the thing makes you mark images of "toes". If you get the captcha in spanish, it will say imagenes de "dedos". The funny part is that "dedo" in spanish means both "finger" and "toe". The only way you can distinguish is by saying "dedo de la mano" or "dedo del pie…

Funnily enough, Google translate does translate "toe" to "dedo del pie" and "finger" to "dedo".

Which makes me wonder what the same captcha would say in French. In French, "doigt", while technically for both toes and fingers, is usually unambiguously "finger", and "toes" is "doigts de pied".

So if the captcha would pull the same joke in French, telling to flag "doigts", I, as a French, would only pick fingers and not toes at all.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #268
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #259

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When ATT was a monopoly, your choice for a phone provider, across the U.S, was ATT. There was no way to switch, and they used this power to raise prices (hurting the consumer is generally a requirement for anti-trust cases in the US). It'll be very challenging to win a serious court case where the Google search monopoly could be conquered by a user typing bing.com at the top of the screen. Never before has a 'monopol…

Ah, but you don't understand where the monopoly is. It's on the other side: Businesses must support Google Search and run Google Ads to stay in business. It is effectively impossible to operate any business in the US without a Google presence.

>Ah, but you don't understand where the monopoly is. It's on the other side: Businesses must support Google Search and run Google Ads to stay in business. It is effectively impossible to operate any business in the US without a Google presence.

Citation? For one, I don't think Facebook uses Google ads.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #307
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #268

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Ah, but you don't understand where the monopoly is. It's on the other side: Businesses must support Google Search and run Google Ads to stay in business. It is effectively impossible to operate any business in the US without a Google presence.

>Ah, but you don't understand where the monopoly is. It's on the other side: Businesses must support Google Search and run Google Ads to stay in business. It is effectively impossible to operate any business in the US without a Google presence. Citation? For one, I don't think Facebook uses Google ads.

That's an incredibly disingenuous response. I am sure you are perfectly capable of understanding what I said and how true it is.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by xapata »

the_other wrote: post #276
dmoy wrote: post #246

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And spam. Don't forget that with just base pagerank, all you'd get today is spam.

With the first page of results being mostly Google or paid ads, spam is roughly what we have today, too.

I like Google's integrated approach. I don't see it as spam, which would be ads that I don't wish to see. I've tried other services, but prefer Google Maps, Google Flights, etc.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by IncRnd »

hcurtiss wrote: post #156
IncRnd wrote: post #138

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> People didn't pick Google because it was hard to switch, they converged on Google because the product was that good That's not how I remember things from that time. I started to use Google, because it was faster than dogpile and the other oddly named search engines. It wasn't a quality reason. There was the expectation that a search for information would take longer than a single click, so a little digging wasn't a…

My experience was that the quality of the search results were much better.

I experienced that as well, but the reason we used Google at that time was the speed that was sorely lacking is all other offeri we used.
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