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Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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It looks like a simple tagging system with extra steps. Pretty much all modern blogs and social networks have tags/hashtags. You can also refer to other posts with links.

Here the same idea is applied to notes, and I'm pretty sure it's already been explored before (e.g. Bear app).

I feel like someone is trying to give a fancy name to an ordinary thing, so it would look like a fancy, innovative thing.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pen and paper, there is something about writing and quickly drawing diagrams using the pen that seems to be involving the right parts of my brain that seem to be asleep otherwise.

Agreed. Pen and paper is great for taking notes Yet discoverability becomes a huge challenge. I find that I almost never go back to reference those paper notes. I'd need a good system to keep those notes organized

The solution for me is to keep an index in the front or back of the notebook. Each time I write something of significance I put it in the index.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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This seems to be a new trend now. I'm skeptical. Many of the most successful people I know don't have complicated systems like this - instead of spending time on optimizing note taking, they actually get stuff done. In fact, many don't have systems at all. On the other side, most people raving about the systems are "productivity gurus" writing articles and books, not people who actually get stuff done or would be con…

I'm sympathetic to this argument, though I suspect it isn't as simple as "just get stuff done". If we could have, we would have. My suspicion is that the natural productivity for individuals in the population follows a bell curve: some people are crazy productive, regardless of their tools, and at the other end are people who are beyond help. Most people fall somewhere in the middle, and these tools will likely help…

First I'm very skeptical of the claim that there is any "natural" productivity scale out there. Nobody is born productive or "beyond help", unless they have some sort of mental handicap. It all comes down to what you learn and the good habits you form over the years.

I also don't think you can totally separate a "personal productivity weakness" from "tools". Tools and systems, when learned and used correctly, can go a long way in correcting bad habits and mindless counter-productive actions. An example that has already helped me a lot is the very simple act of writing out only 2 to 3 most important tasks for the day and make them easily visible with some form of stickies. This helps me focus my energy throughout the day instead of letting me wander around mindlessly with whatever free time that comes up, since those 2 to 3 tasks always stay on top of my mind and direct my actions, and are very easy to keep track of. This way I actually get things done constantly every day instead of obliviously letting time slip by while feeling lost amid the dozens of TODOs that I have in org-mode/todo software.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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This seems to be a new trend now. I'm skeptical. Many of the most successful people I know don't have complicated systems like this - instead of spending time on optimizing note taking, they actually get stuff done. In fact, many don't have systems at all. On the other side, most people raving about the systems are "productivity gurus" writing articles and books, not people who actually get stuff done or would be con…

I see your point but this viewpoint might be veering to another extreme. The truth is probably somewhere in between, as is the case with many other matters.

I certainly spent a lot of time taking notes in org-mode but I don't regret it. Whenever I want to look something up and revise, I can find it in an instant by simply grepping my repo or by targeting a header. Goes without saying, this is particularly useful for notes related to programming. However, even for other notes (e.g. vacation plan) I still find tremendous value in org-mode's flexible and powerful approach. In addition, org-mode is also a medium for me to freely write things down and clarify my thoughts whenever I feel the urge to do so. I can even "write and forget", but the reward is already reaped when I wrote out my thoughts in the first place.

However, I have indeed moved time tracking and task management out of org-mode, after struggling with it for a couple of years and trying out various customizations. Ultimately it feels like that org-mode is not built as a suitable system for this purpose, for various reasons. Being "able" to do everything doesn't mean it does everything well, and I fell into the trap of idolizing it too much to the detriment of other viable alternatives. IMO it's a perfect note-taking system for programmers/STEM people, but task management and time tracking should not have been mixed with note taking in the first place. It feels like a bloating of product scope (were it a for-profit product, of course). Now I've switched to a dedicated software for task management + time tracking that has cross-platform support, and I feel much happier and can actually properly track my tasks, review my productivity and get things done.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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By the way, what I hate about most of the note-taking apps is they usually require or push you to give every note a title. C'mon, people, do you invent a title for every note you would write on a paper or a sticky? The same is relevant to e-mail subjects: i many cases the subject is wide, volatile or plain lacking. It often happens the actual contents of an email I receive has nothing to do with what's there in the s…

I share your frustration. However, it makes sense, if you think about it. Having to give a note a title makes you think it through, and with Zettelkasten you can easily split it into many atomic notes, each covering their own thing.

As a workaround, you can have one note dedicated to all your random notes, which you can periodically review and reorganize.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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This seems to be a new trend now. I'm skeptical. Many of the most successful people I know don't have complicated systems like this - instead of spending time on optimizing note taking, they actually get stuff done. In fact, many don't have systems at all. On the other side, most people raving about the systems are "productivity gurus" writing articles and books, not people who actually get stuff done or would be con…

I’ve worked with a few very successful business people. What was common among them was they wrote things down (frequently, but a little, not a lot) and had excellent recall. They wrote on anything handy, and discarded when done. Their systems were mostly disposable. They didn’t create libraries of notes. I’m technical, self-employed, with an academic background. I’m very tempted by systems (I often think of the book…

I never looked into it, but I always wondered what police write down in their note books and how they balance writing enough and listening enough, making sure they don't forget but don't get distracted by the writing process. Maybe it takes practice.

Re: Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead

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I don't think one should suggest Zettelkasten to anyone who is looking for a simple to-do list or note taking implementation. Regular notes are perfectly fine if one wants to take regular notes. Luhman's zettels weren't random thoughts or casual ideas that popped into his head during a stroll with the dog., but rather full, jargon-laden sentences that were close to publication-ready in quality, sometimes highly abstr…

Goodness, that random zettel is hard to grep.

My own zettelkasten of random thoughts and casual ideas that pop into my head certainly aren't going to be compiled into a chapter of a sociology book, but I still find value in being able to connect ideas from HN posts and YouTube videos.

The products of those types of notes for me are just blog posts and interesting dinner conversations.

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