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Google Is Not God of the Web

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Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

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How is this helping Google not lose to Bing, when the change would equally improve Bing experience (rising tide rises all boats?).

Not all websites are going to improve their performance, even with Google's incentive. If Google ranks fast websites better than slow ones, that gives Google an advantage over any competitor that doesn't, as long as slow websites still exist.

And it creates monopolies, perfect for gulag control of the people.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

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Google Search is in a horrendous state right now. Search results have been getting worse each year, with interesting information being buried 20 pages down. I really hope they have plans to improve this or find an approach that works as a middle ground for generic SEO content.

> Google Search is in a horrendous state right now. I bet they simply optimized for the average person on the web, and we're outliers.

Everyone is an outlier to an 'average.'

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I agree, but somehow when I google for something, Wired and all these websites are the ones that appear on the first result, so what's the deal? Google don't care if your website is heavy as long as that domain provides a lot of ads income? I've made a website pure HTML with just a small CSS and no JS; with real great content. Google doesn't take it into account. So I don't know if they are really pushing for a light…

High network utilization doesn't have to mean an unresponsive website. Google cares more about responsiveness. A site is responsive if you can start reading it quickly, regardless of how much network traffic is being used by ads, as long as the ads are loaded asynchronously after the primary content. Penalizing for high total network traffic is short-sighted and would prevent most video hosts from ranking well in Goo…

having worked specifically on website responsiveness improvement for a medium-size publisher, I can certainly attest that ads heavily influence performance, even if added asynchronously after the first paint, or after the site becomes interactive; we tried every trick in the book, and then some.

the main reason is that ads are coded by people that have no interest in performance. I've seen huge JS libraries loaded to display a static image. I've seen multiple versions of the same library loaded in the same ad. I've seen things that wouldn't fly anywhere else.

Why? Because the ad agencies are under a lot of time pressure to make things quickly, and there is NO penalty if the quality is terrible. So they take what worked last campaign, add new tags to satisfy the new customer, and ship it out. It displays? Perfect. It's huge and slow as hell? Who cares, it's not their website that gets slow as molasses.

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

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(Disclaimer: previously worked at Google search) I think some commenters are attributing to Google an ulterior motive, whether ill- or good-intentioned, separate from its core business. But in this case no such motivation is necessary. Basically, Google wants its users to be satisfied - otherwise it will lose to, say, Bing. So it measures user satisfaction - e.g., if a user clicks on a Google result, and immediately…

How does google know they hit back within three seconds? Oh yeah, monopoly. Break them up.

You can easily instrument this server side - cookie and referrer is enough to track a single hop journey

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

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Web-designers and web-developers design and build the things that the people with the money ask them to. It's that simple.

You should build what they need - though a lot of the problem is that those specifying websites have very little idea about how the web works and what is needed. Unfortunately this isn't the 60's at Sterling Cooper where you can brain storm an idea like go to "work on an egg" or a "a mars a day helps you work rest and play"

In my experience, even if you start by "building what they need".

When you present your V1 "they" come back and say something along the lines of "can't you make it look nicer/cooler? You know add some wow factor!"

What they mean is: "I just took a pile of money from the client for this and you didn't make it look expensive enough"

Re: Google Is Not God of the Web

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How does google know they hit back within three seconds? Oh yeah, monopoly. Break them up.

You can easily instrument this server side - cookie and referrer is enough to track a single hop journey

And Google Analytics right? The 'free' product.
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