How to Make this Moment the Turning Point for Real Change

Post by harryh » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:37 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #286

syshum wrote: post #266

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As normal, libertarians have the correct and rational solution to the problem :)

I think the libertarians are basically right in this instance. Apart from systemic racism (which I believe is a very real thing, but an abstract and not directly unactionable one), I see two problems: 1) The people with the power over the police have almost no contact with the people being policed. Neighborhood schooling reinforces that problem. It ensures that ability to afford housing segregates black people from w…

Post by awinder » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:42 PM UTC

randyrand wrote: post #279

Police brutality is a real issue. It's less clear that racial bias in policing is a statistically significant issue, however, when accounting for obvious things. If someone has numbers that tell a different story I am all ears. Here are mine when I attempted to find it for myself: black arrests (all crimes) a year: 2.2 million white arrests (all crimes) a year: 5.6 million https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/cr…

Post by chr1 » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:43 PM UTC

someguyorother wrote: post #241

systemvoltage wrote: post #171

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I am curious, what would such a system look like? I am thinking that a "promise" is not a quantitative term. It needs to be ratified into specific data oriented actions that can go through a litmus test whether it was fulfilled or betrayed. After that, one idea is to have an accountability score tracked by bureaucracy and have that printed on the ballot along with their principle accomplishments in the supplement. An…

A control theory idea: use continuous voting. When the support falls below some threshold (e.g. 50%), kick the candidate out. But now you'll get an unstable system where candidates get kicked out all the time and are too populist because they don't expect to live long. So add a low-pass filter. When the moving average of the candidate's support falls below the threshold and a definite other candidate's support is hig…

Post by manfredo » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:43 PM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #297

danharaj wrote: post #289

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Laws are disproportionately overenforced on black communities. Your numbers are collected after a large amount of the bias is already baked in and collected by the people perpetrating the bias. Maybe that didn't occur to you. You're just asking questions right?

How do the numbers shake out if we consider only homicides, where selective enforcement should be less of a factor?

Post by leereeves » Mon, Jun 01, 2020, 11:47 PM UTC

manfredo wrote: post #307

leereeves wrote: post #297

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How do the numbers shake out if we consider only homicides, where selective enforcement should be less of a factor?

This is the report for homicides (a different table from the one in the root comment that tracks arrests): https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-... Furthermore, this data is from reports not arrests. So selective enforcement is not a factor.