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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by mturmon »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #241
elil17 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually they had been filming continuously, and they had been previously told by police to stand where they were standing, and they had received no new instructions from the police since then, and there was an all-white group of reporters standing in a similar position on the other side of the police who did not get arrested. I understand the desire to come up with an explanation for what happened, I really do, but…

While it may be tempting to jump to a racial interpretation of the arrest, it appears that the CNN reporters were just standing in the wrong place and in the chaos of the moment were arrested.

You have just scolded the above commenter for jumping to a racial interpretation, and then jumped to an opposite conclusion yourself, on the basis of no evidence.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by sasasassy »

fzeroracer wrote: post #269
sasasassy wrote: post #130

I don't have an issue with this. Both the police and the reporters were calm and polite. The police told them they had to clear the street and instead of obeying the order they asked to let them know when they were going to actually walk down the street. Since they refused to obey the order they were detained and escorted out of the way. Being a reporter does not give you a free pass to disobey orders, specially duri…

So you're saying if a police officer walks up to you and tells you do to something and you ask 'Why', that's grounds for them arresting you? Police officers don't have carte blanche to issue orders and force people to comply. We're a nation of laws (supposedly). They were asked to move and they understandably wanted to know where they should move. Then they were arrested.

The grounds to arrest me are me not obeying a direct order, not asking "why".

Police officers have the authority to make quick judgement calls in many situations. Obviously we are all human and I could ask why and try to plead my case, but I should also expect that after some time of non-compliancy I may be detained. The felony is called something like "failure to obey a police officer".

And it's in the laws of the nation.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by LyndsySimon »

brudgers wrote: post #159
JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

How is it legal Police carry guns. Legal is not relevant.

That's... silly. I carry a gun, too, but I don't go around arbitrarily forcing my will on others.

The difference is "qualified immunity", not weaponry.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by pas »

monocasa wrote: post #185
pionar wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They actually do have to articulate their PC. If they don't, again, you can sue for civil rights violations. Not saying it doesn't happen, it does, but it's not correct to say they're "allowed to".

They have 24 hours to articulate that or let you go.

They still have to explain why you have been detained, right?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by ianleeclark »

stronglikedan wrote: post #220
tibbydudeza wrote: post #190

Add reporting while black to suspicious activities.

Then we should also add filming while latino and producing while white.

The most insightful part of the video is where the start handing all the shit to the non-black film crew, then realize how bad it'll look if they only arrest the black guy.

You can attempt to whitewash it but we all saw what happened. Sorry, but you can't will away racism

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by bargl »

monocasa wrote: post #266
bargl wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.wtae.com/article/police-department-shuts-down-af... Can and does. I'm not saying this is indicative of what frequently happens. But there can be real consequences for the police officers based on lawsuits. I also recognize this was not being pushed down from the city. My statement was an example of how police departments shutting down affect police and how that can happen. I won't argue that police are ap…

The closure of a two man police department when both of them got caught at the same time isn't really a great example. In a larger department, neither would have lost their jobs, and the larger insurance would have handled it.

I'm not going to scour the internet for these examples... I found one in 5 minutes. I assume there are more out there that would require me to spend more time than I'm willing to make the point.

You said doesn't happen. An absolute. I am saying it can happen and it's not the only form of punishment I'm referring to.

Police (the individuals) can be punished for their infractions. It doesn't happen nearly often enough (my opinion). But if you're saying it can't/won't happen I disagree with you. I'd even go so far as to say I believe you to be factually incorrect. While I will 100% change my opinion on this if given a study that proves this has never happened. It's easier for me to assert a shmeybe than for you to assert it never happens. All I need is one instance where as you need none.

Now if you want to say, that's not enough. We won't disagree at all.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by steveharman »

JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

If the apparent penalty for murdering a member of the public is only getting fired, I can't see anyone higher up in authority giving a rat's @rse if an officer just grabs someone and arrests them without warning.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by splitrocket »

sparkling wrote: post #194
splitrocket wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, extrajudicial murder to protect physical property, that's justice. When you care more about stuff than you do about actual human lives, your evil is showing.

Okay, please roll out the red carpet for the people coming to loot your home or business, good boy.

"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention."

Martin Luther King.

More recently, though, someone whose business was, in fact, damaged:

"Let my building burn, Justice needs to be served, put those officers in jail."

Ruhel Islam, a Bangladeshi immigrant and owner of Gandhi Mahal Restaurant

https://www.facebook.com/GandhiMahalRestaurant/posts/3030378...

If you value civility and property over justice and human life, well, then, I'm sorry... You might be the baddies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by monocasa »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #295
monocasa wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it was because the reporters here were 'too close' then that does kind of fit the narrative the cops gave They were live on TV, so you can tell the cop's explanation was BS. When told they had to move, the reporter asked where was OK, at which point he was arrested. The crew was given no chance to comply with the orders.

Cutting off my post right before I say "except they should have told them where they should go instead of arresting them of course." is incredibly misleading.

Not really, because that clause does nothing to excuse the first clause.
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