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I don’t think there’s going to be a mindset change in the population. The absolute worst estimates are between 0.5 and 1 percent of the population dying.
1% of the world's population is almost 800m people. That's >10x the death-toll of WW2 (which took 6 years to achieve).
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Because it's common sense that an invasive medical procedure needs to be administered by someone with some semblance of competence in medicine, if you expect the patient to have a shot at not dying. An emergency doesn't change the hard technical requirement of administering ventilation. Or rather, this should be common sense, but the over-inflated egos on HN don't understand that it takes more than knowing which butt…
> Because it's common sense that an invasive medical procedure needs to be administered by someone with some semblance of competence in medicine, if you expect the patient to have a shot at not dying. Common sense does not determine how difficult something is, how difficult it is determines that. Reality, for the most part, flows into the brain from the outside world, not the other way around. > An emergency doesn't…
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Not voted in any way, but I cannot figure out what you tried to tell and how that would contribute to this discussion.
The short answer is, much of what we believe, both individually and collectively, is simply incorrect. In this case, my perception is that a person believed something to be untrue due to the idea having been labelled a conspiracy theory, and then after reading this story, he was less confident in the belief. Generalized, we might state this as: the perception of high accuracy in our beliefs is illusory. Not only does…
I found some of my father's school books from ~ 1960: that close after the war, it included lots of war-like information like how to use protective gear (not top NBC one, but how to improvise if needed), how to carry a stretcher, first aid, etc. Now people forgot about war, this is no longer in the school teachings and people lack self-preservation skills. If a country leader tells them to self-isolate, they will laugh and ignore until it gets serious and in hindsight they blame politicians. When you have no pandemic for 100 years you don't care about ventilators and ventilator contracts, you care about unemployment, taxes, football and the last iPhone models.
History is always forgotten because regular Joe and Jane don't read history and Einstein has a single vote.
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> The original idea of 30 days training is an end of the world worst case scenario. The person was asking a question, not proposing a plan of only training people for thirty days. This thread is a like a giant version of that telephone game that we used to play in school, except in that game you didn't have the advantage of reading the exact words that the person said, as we can in this thread.
Thanks for your comments in this thread. Some people seem to have an axe to grind concerning the hubris of software hackers and are pushing that debate rather than addressing the question.
I dunno what it is, the internet + Donald Trump that does this to people?
Too much fighting, even among people who are mostly ideologically aligned.
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> Being able to hold a paint brush is a very different skill level than painting a portrait. Painful given some past threads on this subject. Other than that: spot on.
Do you believe that we can infer useful information about ventilators from this? I'm not seeing much relevance to this conversation.
If there is relevance to this conversation in the 10,000 or so words that you have spent on this thread then I fail to see it, so I really don't know what this particular comment is trying to achieve other than that it has me considering whether I shouldn't just plain give up on HN.
Don Hopkins has it right, sealioning is the perfect term to describe what you are doing and it is a destructive thing on something as fragile as this forum because it narrowly fits the guidelines and yet makes it impossible to have a normal conversation. It's the online version of passive aggressive belligerence with a veneer of sincerity on top.
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Doctors and nurses probably aren't trained how to run an ICU, they spend more than a decade learning about human bodies and they only have so much time. If corebit happens to be an Operations Research specialist then it is reasonably likely that they would be better at running an ICU than a typical professional medical worker. Medicine has traditionally had a problem with a large number of very clever people who are…
> If corebit happens to be an Operations Research specialist then it is reasonably likely that they would be better at running an ICU than a typical professional medical worker. Why do people on HN consistently presume that they somehow know better than the experts? It’s distressing to me that anybody can say something like this with a straight face.
There's actually a surprising amount of anti-intellectualism on HN, as evidenced by the persistent "People don't truly need a CS degree to be a qualified software developer; it's just gatekeeping." rhetoric one sees.
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Doctors don’t run ventilators. Respiratory therapists do. A respiratory therapy degree is a 2-year associates degree that includes basic training on physiology and biology. I’m betting that someone with an undergraduate degree in biology could learn the role in a few months of intensive training. Doctors would still be responsible for reviewing the care protocol and making decisions on treatment, but one doctor could…
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment. The point was that it takes more than a 30 day bootcamp to be more of an asset than a liability in a critical care environment. HN denizens apparently seem to disagree, and believe that if you can learn some JavaScript framework in 30 days you can do anything in 30 days, but the world doesn’t work like that.
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Do you believe that we can infer useful information about ventilators from this? I'm not seeing much relevance to this conversation.
I can infer some useful information about you from this thread. It is that you actually don't give a damn but you love arguing, the more the merrier and no matter whether or not you stray far off-topic, you'll be happy because that gives you yet another thing you can argue about. If there is relevance to this conversation in the 10,000 or so words that you have spent on this thread then I fail to see it, so I really…
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I can infer some useful information about you from this thread. It is that you actually don't give a damn but you love arguing, the more the merrier and no matter whether or not you stray far off-topic, you'll be happy because that gives you yet another thing you can argue about. If there is relevance to this conversation in the 10,000 or so words that you have spent on this thread then I fail to see it, so I really…
I've been making liberal use of the flag button for the trolling comments once I picked up on the pattern.