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TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #20

How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…

Are you saying that some nightclubs actually turn people away for not being attractive, because I've never heard of this.

Or do you mean another kind of bar?

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by imgabe »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #301
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #20

How is this different from nightclubs having a high bar to entry? I am not saying this is an ethical thing to do, I am saying these apps are no different from nightclubs and they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. And no matter what you may say, humans prefer non ugly people over ugly people. I am sorry but this is simply how humans work. If you disagree, then you are a hypocrite. So should high end nightclubs b…

Are you saying that some nightclubs actually turn people away for not being attractive, because I've never heard of this. Or do you mean another kind of bar?

They might not outright turn them away, but they might make them stand in a line that never moves, while other people walk right in.

Pretty similar to how TikTok isn't stopping anybody from posting, they are just selective about what they feature.

Don't casting agents and producers essentially do the same thing for movies and TV?

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by wastedhours »

miguelmota wrote: post #220
papeda wrote: post #4

Geez, I thought this might be an overblown piece about algorithms unwittingly optimizing for the wrong things, but the headline is pretty accurate. Discussing how moderators choose content to recommend to people in the “For You” section (not a user — I assume this is something highlighted to users): > Under this policy, TikTok moderators were explicitly told to suppress uploads from users with flaws both congenital a…

Instagram does the same thing; my 'Explore' tab is full of beautiful people even though I don't follow them. From a business standpoint it makes sense to promote the best looking content since it'll lure in more young users. The young kids probably think something like "Hey look at all those beautiful people. I want to be like them and they use Tik Tok so I'm going to use Tik Tok too."

And my Explore feed is pretty much just pictures of cute bunnies as that's based on the content I interact with (who doesn't love cute pictures of bunnies?!). I'd say that's very much not the same thing - algorithmic interpretation of what I like, vs a moderator deciding to only promote certain things.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by philwelch »

I have to admit, my reaction is...so what?

Social media is a playground for beautiful, glamorous people, because those are the personalities most people want to see. It’s true for YouTube and Instagram. If you’re a relative newcomer to the market like TikTok and your promoted content is filled with ugly people, users will notice that and assume your service is second rate.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by anoncake »

catalogia wrote: post #226
whyaduck wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And taller?

Maybe tall people have more confidence on average, which in certain leadership roles, could be a legitimate aspect of merit.

Why should taller people be more confident? Because people respect them for being tall?

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by majewsky »

briandear wrote: post #209
swiley wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has intentionally killed chat apps other than email and centralized stuff by not allowing self hosted push servers. Don’t blame this on young people, IRC was becoming popular again right around when the iPhone started to become necessary for everything.

Whats App works on Apple, Signal, Telegram. How has Apple “killed” chat apps? That makes no sense.

> chat apps other than email and centralized stuff

Emphasis added for clarification.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by IkmoIkmo »

miguelmota wrote: post #220
papeda wrote: post #4

Geez, I thought this might be an overblown piece about algorithms unwittingly optimizing for the wrong things, but the headline is pretty accurate. Discussing how moderators choose content to recommend to people in the “For You” section (not a user — I assume this is something highlighted to users): > Under this policy, TikTok moderators were explicitly told to suppress uploads from users with flaws both congenital a…

Instagram does the same thing; my 'Explore' tab is full of beautiful people even though I don't follow them. From a business standpoint it makes sense to promote the best looking content since it'll lure in more young users. The young kids probably think something like "Hey look at all those beautiful people. I want to be like them and they use Tik Tok so I'm going to use Tik Tok too."

It's just what you've responded to. I've literally got 90% baby yoda memes, I'm not even kidding. The 'for you' is algorithmic, not curated by mods based on beauty like it seems TikTok was.

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by maitredusoi »

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #308
miguelmota wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instagram does the same thing; my 'Explore' tab is full of beautiful people even though I don't follow them. From a business standpoint it makes sense to promote the best looking content since it'll lure in more young users. The young kids probably think something like "Hey look at all those beautiful people. I want to be like them and they use Tik Tok so I'm going to use Tik Tok too."

It's just what you've responded to. I've literally got 90% baby yoda memes, I'm not even kidding. The 'for you' is algorithmic, not curated by mods based on beauty like it seems TikTok was.

coz baby yoda memes are considered as "cute" by moderator ;) and by no means a baby yoda seems ugly for anyone ;)

Re: TikTok told moderators to suppress posts by “ugly” people and the poor

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Post by kharak »

leereeves wrote: post #300
kharak wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no group can select their members anymore? Nonsense. A model agency will continue to hire exclusively beautiful people. Top tier universities will remain a club for well doers in the education system. My group of friends remains closed to most everyone else and so does yours. Exclusivity is a necessity for society.

No one is trying to end "exclusivity". Harvard is still exclusive even though it now admits a whole lot of people they would never have considered 100 years ago. But if a group is excluding people based on innate physical characteristics, maybe they should rethink that.

NBA? Football? Hollywood? And as I said, model agencies?

Many physical attributes are absolutely relevant for a given context.

What we should do, is getting rid of irrelevant and abhorrent discrimination, such as racial selection.

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