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Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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Users love it though.

If by "users" you include developers who spend most of their time with the system, the two thousand 1-star reviews ¹ will beg to differ. ¹ https://wordpress.org/plugins/gutenberg/#reviews

No, by "users" I meant... users. Those developers have basically nothing to do with using Gutenberg to write content, why do you think their opinion should prevail on that of actual users?

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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We're back to "The boring solution has a long list of inconveniences and uglinesses that everyone knows about. If we chose the new solution, nobody would know where the bugs are and we can have exciting new ones." Really the problem is that the standard solution hasn't improved. Backends are still a hassle in the 2020s. People keep reinventing CGI. Every now and again I think "why doesn't someone just produce a simpl…

> "The boring solution has a long list of inconveniences and uglinesses that everyone knows about. If we chose the new solution, nobody would know where the bugs are and we can have exciting new ones." Is this C vs Rust again? (it's a joke, but go ahead, downvote).

I have a hard rule to downvote whenever anyone asks to be downvoted or complains about being downvoted. Enjoy!

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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The intent is for users to style it themselves.. or it was, until browsers stopped having that functionality.

Browsers never stopped having that functionality. It's still entirely possible to load custom user styles into a webpage.

If I recall, Netscape or one of the other early browsers used to have an option to change the default font/color of text and the background in its settings. Nowadays you have to use an extension to do so.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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If by "users" you include developers who spend most of their time with the system, the two thousand 1-star reviews ¹ will beg to differ. ¹ https://wordpress.org/plugins/gutenberg/#reviews

No, by "users" I meant... users. Those developers have basically nothing to do with using Gutenberg to write content, why do you think their opinion should prevail on that of actual users?

It's also users not just developers if you read the reviews.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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There's nothing wrong with static HTML/CSS/JS. There's also nothing wrong with a rich SPA. And again, there's nothing wrong with using some kind of dynamic server-side HTML/CSS/JS presentation (like WordPress). Where there is a problem is the culture of software engineering, and the tendency to select the newest technology stack of the day for inappropriate applications. I think any seasoned software engineer has acq…

Have fun getting junior engineers interested in PHP, an objectively gross language. You'll get a stable system to begin with, but nobody younger than 45 who wants to touch it. It also has a large attack volume and curated security exploits that you buy into when you inevitably use plugins. This article is about static HTML/CSS/JS. You can accomplish a good, modern CMS in halfway-decent languages using netlify and any…

know a number of products from venture-backed startups written in PHP where most of the team is usually between 25-35.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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> It's slow and most people prefer the static html version. The only people I've ever heard talk about the static html version are a few HNers. I'd wager 99% of people don't care, don't mind their email client's first load being slow (they just keep it open in a tab anyways), and don't even know about the static html version.

> The only people I've ever heard talk about the static html version are a few HNers. I'd wager 99% of people don't care, don't mind their email client's first load being slow (they just keep it open in a tab anyways), and don't even know about the static html version. Are you claiming that because people are ignorant of an option that is clearly better for them, the option is redundant? So if people don't care about…

Exactly zero everyday people switch to HTML-version. I’ve never seen anyone doing it in the wild. This sub-thread is just peak Hacker News.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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Quite the opposite, it does its job pretty well for me. It has good keyboard shortcut support, and the UI is only lagging if I go into 80-100 long email threads otherwise pretty good. What's unintuitive about a list of emails and few simple features? You also bog my mind :)

I don't like how it is formatted for starters. Also the reply button is impossible to find- since its not at the time like it logically should be. Reply all and other options are hidden instead of being exposed. When clicking on reply, it takes me to the bottom, away from the content so its impossible to read and response. It also doesn't have proper mailboxes, and rules are impossible to make. I do not like it at al…

Your critique doesn’t really carry a lot of facts but mostly your negative opinion. New Gmail isn’t the fastest but it’s interface is pretty much OK and its rules are great.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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I'm not sure it's junior/senior so much as personal taste: Plenty of junior engineers use Vim and Emacs, neither of which are trendy in any meaningful way, and I'm sure there are senior engineers who use Visual Studio with all of its whiz-bang. Similarly with websites, some have ideas which need AJAX and, possibly, WASM, and others have ideas which need static sites or, at most, "slightly dynamic" websites with only…

> Plenty of junior engineers use Vim and Emacs Pretty sure that’s not the case anymore, I have been a developer for 3 years and have never ever seen anyone use either of these for work

Well, since you've only worked for 3 years I bet you haven't seen many different workplaces either. I've been a professional developer for 3 years and 80% of the people I know use either vim or emacs. The difference between you and me however is that I'm aware that I have been to very few workplaces and don't assume that most people use vim or emacs because of my limited experience.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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I don't like how it is formatted for starters. Also the reply button is impossible to find- since its not at the time like it logically should be. Reply all and other options are hidden instead of being exposed. When clicking on reply, it takes me to the bottom, away from the content so its impossible to read and response. It also doesn't have proper mailboxes, and rules are impossible to make. I do not like it at al…

Your critique doesn’t really carry a lot of facts but mostly your negative opinion. New Gmail isn’t the fastest but it’s interface is pretty much OK and its rules are great.

When critiquing an interface, its gong to sound a lot like opinion. Its still facts that its not a good UI.

I don't understand how you can say "its rules are great" when I can't have two different message subjects go to the same mailbox.

Re: Websites have evolved back to static HTML/CSS/JS files

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There's nothing wrong with static HTML/CSS/JS. There's also nothing wrong with a rich SPA. And again, there's nothing wrong with using some kind of dynamic server-side HTML/CSS/JS presentation (like WordPress). Where there is a problem is the culture of software engineering, and the tendency to select the newest technology stack of the day for inappropriate applications. I think any seasoned software engineer has acq…

Apologies to be so late to the discussion (I come from HN search as I'm searching for a good solution to build a simple website).

Why not use Wordpress --> static generator --> Netlify (aka free hosting)?

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