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Re: The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done

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Post by dzhiurgis » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 9:44 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #300

dzhiurgis wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolute capacity is far from useful metric when you have so many options of commute.

On the contrary, it's all about capacity. In London I have a thousand options, and every single one of them is clogged at 6 pm. People stay extra hour at work because there is no way for them all to get home.

London has two options - tube or (half each) car or bus. All suck, but tube gets you there fastest (with probably higher level of discomfort as bus does).

Imagine having real bike lanes (and not getting killed) where you'd be able to use e-bikes and e-scooters. Imagine pooling electric car with your neighbour in a Boring tunnel. Even when it's slower you are not a sardine in a sweaty, hearing-damaging tube.

Re: The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done

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Post by mc3 » Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 12:03 AM UTC

pjkundert wrote: post #266

pjkundert wrote: post #140

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You’ve got the wrong perspective. From the perspective of the city, the ROI of a subway train is high. From the perspective of an individual, the ROI of using my own car in a tunnel, exactly when I want to, without parking, waiting, embarking, smelling the vagrants, disembarking, walking or getting a cab, ... Priceless!

Hey, everyone — I (fairly) accurately expressed the points of view of some participants in this equation. Why are you spanking me for that? Or... were you looking for an echo chamber here on HN? Because if you keep downvoting every statement that you don’t agree with, that’s what you’ll soon have!

I down voted because I believe it is an extraordinary claim without evidence.

Re: The Boring Company’s Las Vegas tunnel is nearly 50% done

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Post by ClumsyPilot » Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 3:59 AM UTC

dzhiurgis wrote: post #301

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, it's all about capacity. In London I have a thousand options, and every single one of them is clogged at 6 pm. People stay extra hour at work because there is no way for them all to get home.

London has two options - tube or (half each) car or bus. All suck, but tube gets you there fastest (with probably higher level of discomfort as bus does). Imagine having real bike lanes (and not getting killed) where you'd be able to use e-bikes and e-scooters. Imagine pooling electric car with your neighbour in a Boring tunnel. Even when it's slower you are not a sardine in a sweaty, hearing-damaging tube.

Options dont matter when roads are already clogged. Whether the cars are electric or not wont make a difference.

Bikes/scooter are last mile transport, sure, you can squeeze another 10% capacity out of them or whatever. Maybe another 10% from car pooling. That's it. The only way to get more throughput on the surface is to replace cars with buses. The only way to get more throughput underground is to expand the tube. It does not need to be sweaty or ear damaging, in Prague our metro is really nice, and so is the one in Madrid.

The boring tunnel is basically useless, a hundred of them will move less people than a single tube line.

There is no space in central megacities for cars and the sooner you people realise that, the sooner we can start solving the problem.