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Post by lawnchair_larry »

jml78 wrote: post #210
malvosenior wrote: post #205

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What was forged by Russian Intelligence?

You do know that Wikileaks was on the verge of releasing damaging info on Putin. Then magically it never happened after Assange was visited by Russian agents. Sorry they are nothing more than a propaganda machine of Russia at this point. They went political in the last election choosing to keep GOP documents silenced and release the DNC data. I have no issue if Wikileaks wasn’t playing political games. But they are..…

They did not keep GOP documents silenced.

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

spaced-out wrote: post #127
corporate_shi11 wrote: post #107

I was part of a news and current events Facebook group a few years ago, when WikiLeaks was primarily known for leaking evidence of the US Military's abuses in the middle East. Most of the people in this group were Democrats or otherwise on the Left. They cheered WikiLeaks and loved that it was exposing the abuses of a group they didn't like. Fast forward to 2016, and WikiLeaks begins publishing damaging information r…

The reason many people turned on Wikileaks was because he clearly sided with Trump in 2016. He released the info he had on Hillary to damage her campaign, even though it didn't show anything illegal, yet he refused to publish the documents he had on Trump. People sided with him because they believed he was impartial, and turned away from him when it was clear he wasn't.

He didn’t refuse to publish anything on Trump.

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Post by foldr »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #298
foldr wrote: post #296

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>It was only attempted to hide her identity. This makes no difference, legally speaking. Assange was still helping her to gain unauthorized access to a computer system. This is like giving bank robbers ski masks in full knowledge that they're going to use the ski masks to hide their identities during a robbery. You're still an accessory. It's no defense to say "Oh, I wasn't helping them to gain access to the vault, I…

>This makes no difference, legally speaking. Assange was still helping her to gain unauthorized access to a computer system. Yes, it does. It is the duty of the press to try to protect their sources, and the rights of a free press can not be infringed upon. While the act may be considered illegal by some other law, that law is unconstitutional.

The first amendment cannot be used as an excuse for aiding criminals hacking into computer systems. There is zero historical precedent for this, and it makes zero legal sense.

You are thinking of reporter's privilege, but massively overextending its scope (https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1146/reporter-s...).

Jorunalists are entitled to "protect" their sources in the extremely limited sense that they cannot, necessarily, be compelled to reveal information about them. They're not in any way entitled to shield their sources from law enforcement.

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Post by enjoiful »

duelingjello wrote: post #204
Synaesthesia wrote: post #82

Wikileaks has a faultless record. They’ve never had to retract a publication. Assange, like him not not, was a reporter, who reported uncomfortable facts about the military and our ruling class. He is being punished, tortured really for this “crime”. He has been endlessly and baselessly slandered. All that alleged bad behaviour while he was imprisoned in the embassy ... funny how there’s been no footage of it, despit…

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell Speaking truth to power is something the corporate-owned fourth estate no longer engages in, and instead discards civil discourse and individuals with integrity because reality is inconvenient compared to fanning the flames with phony-outrage clickbait, replacing it with corporate-led fascism and intolerance masquerading as liber…

Can you tell me more about Jesse Ventura?

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Post by refurb »

MiroF wrote: post #300
refurb wrote: post #281

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I assume you’re talking about this video. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airst... Reading the Wikipedia entry seems to indicate the Apache’s has reason to believe they were hostile forces. Indeed, some of the men with the journalists had weapons and were in the same spot as harassing fire had come from earlier.

Have you watched the video itself?

I have. It seems like a tragedy of war, which unfortunately happens some times.

I didn’t think it was some great revelation about the US military.

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Post by jessaustin »

jml78 wrote: post #210
malvosenior wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was forged by Russian Intelligence?

You do know that Wikileaks was on the verge of releasing damaging info on Putin. Then magically it never happened after Assange was visited by Russian agents. Sorry they are nothing more than a propaganda machine of Russia at this point. They went political in the last election choosing to keep GOP documents silenced and release the DNC data. I have no issue if Wikileaks wasn’t playing political games. But they are..…

You do know...

Please, no conspiracy theories.

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Post by jessaustin »

einpoklum wrote: post #267
duelingjello wrote: post #204

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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell Speaking truth to power is something the corporate-owned fourth estate no longer engages in, and instead discards civil discourse and individuals with integrity because reality is inconvenient compared to fanning the flames with phony-outrage clickbait, replacing it with corporate-led fascism and intolerance masquerading as liber…

All of these have had important positive contributions, but don't idolize any of them. Some of them have adopted problematic positions (IMHO) on various issues or promoted political causes of state establishments. Some are dismissive or even defamatory of people with more radical political views than theirs. Some aren't and I only have good things to say about them, but the point is - we should always judge stories a…

Some humans aren't perfect; film at eleven. I don't think any of the "trust the mainstream narrative" authoritarians ITT are comparing Assange to Aaron Maté. They love the pablum that Rachel Maddow feeds them, and they'll grasp at any irrational straw that could help them keep slurping it down.

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Post by jessaustin »

mikojan wrote: post #280
lisper wrote: post #211

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Declaring who is and is not a valid journalist is essential to democracy. The failure to distinguish journalism from propaganda is in no small measure responsible for the mess we're currently in.

There is no distinction. Everybody has an agenda. NYT for example openly(!) supported HRC in the last election. (And that is a good thing.)

Well, it wasn't good for the success of her campaign. Perhaps it was good in some other sense...

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Post by jessaustin »

peteretep wrote: post #292
forgetfulusr wrote: post #283

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For some reason I thought that Snowden went to a UK publisher because the US outlets were not interested. Once the Guardian agreed, were the outlets here expected to ignore it?

Snowden went to two US journalists, Glenn Greenwald, and Laura Poitras.

Greenwald and Poitras don't have glowing opinions of USA news media firms either.

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Post by jessaustin »

banads wrote: post #186
actsof wrote: post #162

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Not that it improves the condition, but psychosis leading to violent outbursts could be used to justify it. Anti-psychotics are also usually sedative in nature, which would explain the rest.

That same justification was used against political dissidents in the Soviet Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatr...

Sure, but Russians are bad [0]. Western governments are good. So it's totally different!

[0] So we're told by noted perjurer (it's OK because he's good) DNI James Clapper!

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